08-05-2004 05:08									#121
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Even with going to war, if Chamberlain was actually any good as a War Prime Minister, he'd have kept it. Also, Bush choose to go to war, Chamberlain didn't have much option, what with Germany invading people. Domestically, Chamberlain was good.

	08-05-2004 05:16									#122
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You missed my point - the fact that his policy allowed something catastrophic to occur, or at least worsened it, is not lessened in the least by the fact that the catastrophe occured (this should be obvious).

	08-05-2004 05:31									#123
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Texas 92 Bush

Jeez, Slowhand must be REALLY dragging down the average in Texas!

	08-05-2004 20:08									#124
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I wasn't referring to Chamberlain's policies in general; I'm ignorant of such historical details. You just have to admit that "Peace with honor...peace in our time" is one of the most comically stupid-in-hindsight remarks ever made. Hitler publically swore to take over Europe, but somehow dear old Neville was convinced he'd settle for a little lump of Czech Territory. Then a little piece of this, a little of that, whoops, sorry old chap, forgot to mention Germany needed to annex this too, but this really is the last one, honest. That's pretty bad judgment.

	08-05-2004 20:32									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon You obviously did not grow up in the seventies.

You're right -- SlowwHand grew up during the Civil War.

	08-05-2004 22:49									#126
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quote: If you're so smart then, why would you move to a state like Georgia?

Because the idea of snow is mostly foreign to Georgia .

quote: If New Jerseyians were so smart, they wouldn't live in ****ing New Jersey.

The facts show a different story... we STILL got a higher IQ than youuu . And, of course, we have a higher level of produce than you, even though your state is much bigger.

Ah, the jealous of New Yorkers.

quote: First, because it seems to be a typically thing for CT'ers to have baseless despise for NJ. Second, because I happen to have pretty good info on just how ****ing nasty NJ is (environmental contamination).

Ah, now the CT jealously . Don't be mad that we have acres and acres of farmland and horse barns.

	09-05-2004 02:41									#127
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Three -- count them three -- tongue smilies!!

	09-05-2004 02:49									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The facts show a different story... we STILL got a higher IQ than youuu .

IQ and grammar aren't necessarily linked, but it's still funny!

	09-05-2004 03:05									#129
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This page brings me to another issue. I can't believe you really did it over there and introduced and allowed Touch-Screen voting machines. How blind can one be??? This is awful. Byebye democracy. Your last banana-republic style of election will be nothing compared to what is coming. And I'm not talking about which group will abuse it (or already has), it may be any of them! At any rate, more suspicions will rise after every single election because fraud cannot be really be ruled out with such a digital system with no manual recount and where you as a voter don't have complete control that your vote is counted properly
Oh, I forgot: Cheating is considered to be something really bad in America and it just can't happen! Sorry for that.
Am I glad that in our voting places every vote is handed around and counted manually (no, this doesn't make it cheaper, but democracy should be worth it). Digital voting boxes are nothing but a disgrace.

	09-05-2004 03:08									#130
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unfortunately-Wern is right.

	09-05-2004 03:18									#131
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.... I prefer digital voting machines. We can work on their safety, but manual counting is SOOOO 1900s.

	09-05-2004 03:22									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui .... I prefer digital voting machines. We can work on their safety, but manual counting is SOOOO 1900s.

And electoral college is sooo 1700s

	09-05-2004 03:23									#133
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As is liberal democracy .

I've used both punch button and digital machines. I prefer the digital ones.

	09-05-2004 12:14									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I've used both punch button and digital machines. I prefer the digital ones.

We make big crosses on circles - much more exact results in counting votes than punch button counting-machines and less vulnerable to frauds as digital machines. Why exactly do you prefer digital machines - and I won't accept "easy handling" etc. as an answer.

	09-05-2004 12:27									#135
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the IQ test for my state are innaccurate because my state has the highest high school drop out in the nation. We only have 2 universities. We are largely immigrant. I'm not saying immigrants have low IQ. Don't be calling me a racist now. I'm saying the type of immigrant we have is the type who doesn't mind working minimum wage cleaning semen from hotel sheets. We don't exactly attract the best and the brightest.

	09-05-2004 17:46									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III We make big crosses on circles - much more exact results in counting votes than punch button counting-machines and less vulnerable to frauds as digital machines. Why exactly do you prefer digital machines - and I won't accept "easy handling" etc. as an answer.

It provides jobs for the people making the machines. Most of the companies that make 'em are probably Japanese, but at least now the Japanese are happy with us, right?

	09-05-2004 18:43									#137
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Actually Elok, the main manufacturer of the digital machines is a company called Diebold, based in Ohio. The company's CEO is a major Republican contributor and has pledged to do "everything he can" to help the Republicans win...

	09-05-2004 22:14									#138
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Hmph. Thanks for ruining my lame joke. Jerk.

	09-05-2004 22:16									#139
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quote: We make big crosses on circles - much more exact results in counting votes than punch button counting-machines and less vulnerable to frauds as digital machines. Why exactly do you prefer digital machines - and I won't accept "easy handling" etc. as an answer.

Because it's easier. I prefer simply to touch the screen than to fill out some paper ballot or make 'crosses on circles'.

	09-05-2004 22:17									#140
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nm, I'm not for irony today, it seems

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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Actually Elok, the main manufacturer of the digital machines is a company called Diebold, based in Ohio. The company's CEO is a major Republican contributor and has pledged to do "everything he can" to help the Republicans win...

And if there is any proof that he meant falsifying election results, let us know .

It's kinda hard for the machine makers to know which party will be on which line, because those are determined by the states.

	09-05-2004 22:32									#142
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quote: And if there is any proof that he meant falsifying election results, let us know .

If I said I was going to kill you, would you ask for proof where I meant strangling?

(Damn I'm rusty on my analogies.)

	09-05-2004 22:35									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Actually Elok, the main manufacturer of the digital machines is a company called Diebold, based in Ohio. The company's CEO is a major Republican contributor and has pledged to do "everything he can" to help the Republicans win...

Cite? Cause I'll be damned if I can Google this. Here's the closest thing I can find:

quote: Worse yet, the most conspiracy-minded critics are upset that Walden O'Dell, the CEO of Diebold, is a prominent fund-raiser for President Bush. Diebold is headquartered in Ohio, a battleground state that is switching heavily to Diebold touch screens this year. O'Dell wrote in a letter to GOP donors last year: "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President."

Which is more than slightly different from your rewording. Not that that matters to the easily paranoid.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansa.../8580838.htm?1c

	09-05-2004 22:40									#144
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quote: If I said I was going to kill you, would you ask for proof where I meant strangling?

Not the same at all.

Doing 'everything he can' to help the Republicans win indicates all legal means. After all, I've heard people say they'll do 'everything they can' to help candidate A win... but none of those people have killed candidate B, but by your logic, you'd have be afraid of that .

	09-05-2004 22:47									#145
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quote: Doing 'everything he can' to help the Republicans win indicates all legal means.

Who said?

Oh yeah. The benefit of the doubt.

If he said "everything I can", he really should be more careful with his wording. I'm not going to take it further than that, but just as much as he might have meant legally, he sure didn't say it. It's easier to see what's there than what's not there.

I should save this post for posterity, or for when in Summer 2005, someone posts 'MASSIVE 2004 PREZ ELECTION FRAUD' in the OTF.

	09-05-2004 22:51									#146
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Anyhow, if that guy is a Republican contributor, I can understand even less how Democrats can be so lame and allowing this polling system to be used.
Isn't it weird though, that most Republicans favor that polling system while most democrats are against it. I mean, it's not really an ideological point, like abortion laws or drug policy. It's something about democratic principles and standards. Republicans seem to accept readily the erosion those standards.
It's like favoring creationism and at the same time belief in the infallibility of modern technology. (Sorry to those Republicans who don't believe in creationism)

	09-05-2004 22:55									#147
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Wern, weren't you even paying attention back in 2000? IYRC, it was the Dems who had the problem with the paper records, not the Reps.

	09-05-2004 23:16									#148
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Wow. I think JohnT lost a major contract or something.

EDIT: You've been in semantics posts in other threads and your count is dangerously high--not to mention your more agressive posting style recently.

SECOND EDIT: There's no 'correct' way to say someone is just irritable, is there?

Yeah, it was a huge contract.

(I edited here so as not to make two posts out of one joke)

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	09-05-2004 23:35									#150
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quote: If he said "everything I can", he really should be more careful with his wording.

Well as John pointed out, he didn't say 'everything I can'. Secondly, I've heard many people say that they'd do everything they can to make sure Bush loses. Since they didn't say legally, should we be concerned that those people will assassinate Bush?

John, sometimes I do wonder why we wade into the muck that is the loony left.