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Basus is offline Basus
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Basus can be compared with the scandinavian countries. It has a democratic government. The title grand duchy is purely symbolic (a relic from the past). The nation has an average sized army. The defences of the country have been brought up to high tech standards. The rest of the army is more or less 70's and 80's equipment

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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
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Oh, and of course, we currently have a small number of very well trained regulars, but plenty of our people, including those under the occupation, are former professional military people. Our platforms include a small number of surviving hightech jets, and our vehicles are Ultra high-tech, but light, like Medium tanks ( think late soviet tanks, all computerized, and Bradley APCs, also featuring the latest, and some stuff that's not from the real world, like optic wiring ) , due to the heavy damage to manufacturing facilities around the country, and the raritty in resources. It's actually amazing that we retained manufacturing facilities for entire armored vehicles altogether.

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OK, I'm back from my little weekend holiday and I've just finished skimming through all the stuff you guys have been up to while I was away. It's the middle of the night here now and I'm going to work in the morning, so I won't be responding much until tomorrow some time.

For future reference: Guardinia is very big in media (book publishing, movie making and information technology). The country is rich on gold and various minerals and is also big in manufacturing industries (making cars, toys, trucks, ships, aircraft, weapons, etc.) Still, the economy is not as good as it could be because the government has been pouring billions and billions into various humanitarion endeavours with little or no long term profits to the "investor". The Guardinian military is relatively small in numbers for a country of Guardinia's size, but well equipped and well trained - the idea being to get as much "bang for the buck" as possible. However, with the current state of the economy, Guardinia will have to dig very deep in their national money bag to cover their expenses related to the Azan crisis and their increased readyness on the border to Western Apolyton. There is already speculation about what the possible consequences of a prolonged crisis might be, with some sources saying that if this crisis lasts for more than another month or two, Guardinia will be forced to either stand down or call for aid...

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as for my western apolyton ally, even if that didnt exist , under the three terrotory rule, i could have claimed the territpry anyway as i only have two so far.


Then what about me? I only have one territory so far. But of course, I've already accepted your alliance with Western Apolyton, so it's OK as far as I'm concerned. Just thought I'd mention it...

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My nation is like the good old USA, we were formed as a breakaway disputed territories many centuries ago and have used good governement control to support business wherever we can. Capitalism is rife on our islands. We have access to most resources we need on our newly aquired territory in Apolynesia and what we lack there we purchase from any nation willing to sell. We have a huge trade surplus as we have a huge manufacturing inductry taking the raw resources from our trading partners and then sellnig them back in their refined mode for increased profits.

We have a large modern military which uses all the latest scientific breakthrus to improve it self. All updated weopons are used in live firing.

Our involvment in far flung wars far from home is sometimes sceptically seen as a way of our government grabbing hold of some resource or other, but this is vehemently deneid.

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Then what about me? I only have one territory so far. But of course, I've already accepted your alliance with Western Apolyton, so it's OK as far as I'm concerned. Just thought I'd mention it...


Once I hit the 2 Bill mark i plan on grabbing my third province.

Frankychan is offline Frankychan
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Ok, discussion time....

Azazel-How did you want to reclaim Azan, diplomatically or militaristic-campaign style?

Of course, military campaign would be more interesting.....

More info on Frankychanland:

Everything is nationalized. While we do have products, they are all created by the State. This means that we DO have variation of products (ex, Shampoo in Strawberry scent, Juniper, etc) the proceeds all go to the State. Salary caps top off at $500,000. This means that any leftover capital gets poured into the State. But since everyone gets paid by the State, it doesn't really matter.

Military is mostly conscripted, but elite troops have extensive military training. Most people employed by the State are in security and policing. The rest are in other fields....(ala, the "lemonade" business ).

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I think that choice is your Franky chan ... do you wish to give up Azan Diplomatically or Militarly...

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I consider Centralis to be a society very oriented towards specialization and doing things by co-operation; people tend to grow up working in networks, and as such become very good at it, but they tend not to do so well on their own.

(People in some jobs have to be good at it, and they learn to be, but they're the exceptions, not the rule)

The main military implication of this is that the Centralis military can be frighteningly efficient when fully co-ordinated - which, when the enemy doesn't go to great lengths to prevent it, is most of the time - but units tend not to do so well when cut off one another, and individual soldiers even less so. Special ops troops are better off in this regard, but even then, they don't work as well alone as someone from elsewhere might.

As for equipment, training, and so on - as you migh expect, given the above, communications, satellite imaging and recon, and other such technologies tend to be very sophisticated, to the point where the military largely relies on them. Weapons tend to be what you would expect from an early 21st century nation (perhaps a couple of years more advanced than the present day), while training is extensive but specialized; tank drivers are very good at diving tanks, but horrible at being infantry, etc. There is a certain amount of redundancy (everyone in a unit has some training in what everyone else does, although only very basic stuff), but outside the unit level, nobody is very experienced at doing stuff outside their role.

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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
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Guys, do you think I should start a new country?

Oh, and where's Lazerus?

Guardian is offline Guardian
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I think you should definitely keep Azan if you still want it. We'll get you back on your feet one way or the other.

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Lazerus back underground .....

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I say if Lazerus doesn't post or PM something by tomorrow (forum time), we go ahead and roleplay without him.

That can mean either:

a) his Universal Soldiers turned tail and ran at the first sign of trouble or

b) Frankychan gets to roleplay their actions.

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maybe his mond control drugs wore off and his armies turned on him... maybe a stray bomb from my missions landed on him !!!!!!

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..or the "four million-strong Hive army" was just FCL propaganda.

Whatever, we can roleplay our ways out of this if we have to.

I still think we should give Lazerus a little more time. But if he doesn't show, I say hand things over to Frankychan to explain away. He's more than up to the task roleplay-wise, and he's fair-minded enough to come up with a balanced solution.

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i agree...

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Lazerus has been busy with college finals. Wait for him.

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Good enough for me. Wait it is.

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wait till when ????

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Franky: I hope that I didn't break the rules of the game.

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i thougt people had to post they o nvacation mode, not jsut disappear !!!!

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I think people just need to take a deep breath and relax a little bit.

Rasputin's attack, while crazy, was a perfectly legit action.

Lazerus waiting to respond because of RL might be annoying for those who want to keep playing, but it is also perfectly legit.

Right now just about everyone has launched an attack against FCL and the Hive. The only way things can go now, is Frankychan and Lazerus roleplay a reaction.

Until then, everyone else can wait. There are plenty of other things to roleplay in the region.

So... to summarise: Chill. Allow the post action-post response system to work. Enjoy.

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I think people just need to take a deep breath and relax a little bit.

Rasputin's attack, while crazy, was a perfectly legit action.

why was this crazy ?????

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step 1: carpet bomb a country, then occupy half of it
step 2: withdraw all forces overnight
step 3: launch a sneak attack against your former allies for occupying the same country

Doesn't sound like sane foreign policy to me...

However, as I stated before, I was a perfectly do-able action. Just... crazy.

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well it all over.... Audlonina officaly evacuated from the situation

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Why?!?

Not everyone can post every day. Especially when real life intervenes. Just give it some time.

Besides, leaving now only cements Auldoninna's reputation as an unstable, unpredictable dictatorship...

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I can't do anything until Lazerus and myself discuss on what to do. That's why I've only been replying to things within country, or things that I haven't been able to catch up on.

Azazel-all good. The turnover of Azan to yourself will happen. I think if Azani ppl lead the attacks on FCL troops, it would be Azani troops getting their (rightful) revenge.

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No, I just meant that I don't think it's an unreasonable to think that Azan's side will take the upper hand with all of that help pouring in. However, if things were more evenly balanced, if for example, we'd include more numbers, or you'd have another nation or two on your side, I think that we'd have to agree on the results of our actions. It would be only fair.

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Until Lazerus posts from his p.o.v. I can't do anything because it was a joint invasion. I personally don't care about the invasion, but Laz might because it's in his half of the territory.

I say bring. it. on. Frankychanland is looking for a fight. We'll take on the whole Apolyton region if we have to!!!!

(ok, i'm B.S'ing..... )

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I want to turn over Azan to you....that's the thing. Now, as I see it, you all have an amalgamation of technology and different tactics/mindsets that you all bring to the field. FCL troops are mostly conscripted. It should be easy pickings for the League of Armed Neutrality to take them out. But small pockets of elite troops would be harder to get rid of.

The remaining forces return back to sovereign FCL soil. Then the rebuilding of Azan begins.

....well, that's how I figured it anyway. This way you get your country back, we have a big a** war, and the NationStates forum is active for a very long time.

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I pictured it much the same way. We should just roleplay things step-by-step, is all.

 
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