12-05-2004 21:23									#91
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He doesn't need to explain -- just go back and reread your posts in consecutive order.

	12-05-2004 21:24									#92
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See, even Mr Fun thinks so .

	12-05-2004 21:25									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I wondered about the instituion/ceremony itself.

I dunno about anybody else, but it was in your first post that you raised my ire a bit...

quote: [The guards'] suffering doesn't honour the dead soldiers.

It's one thing to say "The IDF honors their dead in a different way," but instead you questioned the very legitimacy of the practice. It's every bit as disrespectful as if you were to condemn any other sort of burial practice ("You cremate the dead in your culture? Well then, you're stupid/evil/dishonorable/whatever").

	12-05-2004 21:25									#94
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Now that's a strong argument.

	12-05-2004 21:26									#95
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Well, I'm pointing out that people on all sides of the spectrum seem to be against you.

	12-05-2004 21:26									#96
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That rolling eyes smilie is such a sexy turn-on.

	12-05-2004 21:31									#97
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quote: It's one thing to say "The IDF honors their dead in a different way," but instead you questioned the very legitimacy of the practice. It's every bit as disrespectful as if you were to condemn any other sort of burial practice ("You cremate the dead in your culture? Well then, you're stupid/evil/dishonorable/whatever").

I didn't say that it was illegitimate, I just said that I don't consider it something appropriate. It's a question of personal taste, and culture.

	12-05-2004 21:55									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well, I'm pointing out that people on all sides of the spectrum seem to be against you.

I don't know.

I have personally no problem with these people being monk-like (if they wish to honor the dead this way, let them do), but I think Azazel has found a vicious and nervous opposition that only deserves thumb-downs

	12-05-2004 21:58									#99
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Spiffor -- it's not like I'm angry by Az's nonsense. I'm just perplexed why he would have a problem with others who respect this sacred tomb.

	12-05-2004 22:10									#100
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I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TOMB

	12-05-2004 22:14									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well, I'm pointing out that people on all sides of the spectrum seem to be against you.

Because many, it seems, have a problem with reading comprehension, re: MrFun's not- understanding of why I, supposedly, have a problem with the tomb, and those who respect it.

	12-05-2004 22:15									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TOMB

You type in too small of a font.

	12-05-2004 22:18									#103
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well, excuse me, if I am tired of repeating everything over and over again.

	12-05-2004 22:20									#104
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I'm sorry -- can you repeat what you just said?

	12-05-2004 22:25									#105
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The way Az is being villipended in this thread reminds me of the way I was treated a few days ago

	12-05-2004 22:27									#106
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I don't think I'm villifying him -- I'm just having fun with him.

	13-05-2004 02:34									#107
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Tombs are only sacred to the living. The dead don't give a damn. The whole point of a tomb of the unknown soldier is to make ourselves feel better.

I am sickened by the insane code of conduct these men have to endure. This is a secular republic. We shouldn't have national monks.

	13-05-2004 02:39									#108
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man -- unbunch your panties, Che

	13-05-2004 02:40									#109
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Boohoo to the commies.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun man -- unbunch your panties, Che

Actually, I go commando.

	13-05-2004 02:42									#111
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oh, ok

	13-05-2004 04:39									#112
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I wanted to make a funny quip about that and when we had our Poly meet (between two people, I know)... but I got nothing.

	13-05-2004 04:53									#113
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quote: They must commit 2 years of life to guard the tomb, live in a barracks under the tomb, and cannot drink any alcohol on or off duty FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. They cannot swear in public FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES and cannot disgrace the uniform {fighting} or the tomb in any way. After TWO YEARS, the guard is given a wreath pin that is worn on their lapel signifying they served as guard of the tomb. There are only 400 presently worn. The guard must obey these rules for the rest of their lives or give up the wreath pin. The shoes are specially made with very thick soles to keep the heat and cold from their feet. There are metal heel plates that extend to the top of the shoe in order to make the loud click as they come to a halt. There are no wrinkles, folds or lint on the uniform. Guards dress for duty in front of a full-length mirror. The first SIX MONTHS of duty a guard cannot talk to anyone, nor watch TV. All off duty time is spent studying the 175 notable people laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetery. A guard must memorize who they are and where they are interred. Among the notables are: President Taft, Joe E. Lewis {the boxer} and Medal of Honor winner Audie Murphy, {the most decorated soldier of WWII} of Hollywood fame. Every guard spends FIVE HOURS A DAY getting his uniforms ready for guard duty.

shades of the vestal virgins, imho. didn't know they had to go through that much.

the no alcohol stipulation... have they yet had any muslim guards?

	13-05-2004 05:11									#114
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You know, I see that as very doable. Incredibly difficult mind you, but still doable. As someone who has marched sentinel at a historic landmark for an upwards of 7 hours in one day, I can say that one gains the ability of playing various games to keep one entertained. Like keeping in step with a song you have in your head that you'd never think you can keep in step with. Very odd situations can arise too, which are very humorous and have the possibility of getting one in trouble, but *may* involve ice cream.

Where I marched sentinel:

	13-05-2004 14:17									#115
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Making up a ceremonial guard is an excellent task for the military. It gives the squaddies something to do, they can look quite picturesque and no-one gets killed.

Once we can grow out of asking them to kill people I will become a fan.