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St Andrews, Scotland.
Dec 1999
time: 05:36
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Don't hurt me because of this:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exe...079E91F2784.htm
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Bloggers doubt Berg execution video
By Lawrence Smallman
Revolting millions around the world, the video footage of an American citizen's execution has also raised numerous questions concerning its authenticity.
Even at first glance, internet bloggers were asking on Thursday why Nick Berg was wearing an orange jumpsuit – just like US prisoners wear. Other net-surfers point to the unlikely timing of the executioner's dubbed announcement that Berg was to die for "Iraqi prisoner abuse".
Berg was last seen alive on 10 April, when his father Michael Berg believes he was killed - two weeks before the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal broke in the world's media. Some discussions focus on the timing of the video's release - guaranteed to divert attention from the outrage regarding US torture of Iraqis.
Video oddities
There are plenty of questions raised concerning the video too. The body is completely motionless even as the knife is brought to bear – not so much as an instinctive wriggle. More graphically, some claim that cutting the throat's artery would cause a significant amount of blood. But little emerges and when the head was raised – not a drop of blood is seen to fall. In a possible explanation, one discussion room member suggested that Berg was killed and then beheaded later.
However, the circumstances of the video release are also strange. A Reuters journalist in Dubai first named the Muntada al-Ansar al-Islami website as the source for the video – at www.al-ansar.biz. Although the site has now been shut down, Aljazeera.net had looked at the site within ninety minutes of the story breaking – and could find no such video footage. But Fox News, CNN and the BBC were all able to download the footage from the Arabic-only website and report the story within the hour.
Days leading to death
Other questions presented by bloggers are Berg's peculiar circumstances in the weeks before his death. Why would a private Jewish American citizen choose to wander around Iraq by himself? Additionally, some have pointed out that his last email on 6 April to his family stated he wished to return home as soon as possible – yet the FBI claim he refused an offer of help to get home. In the wider press, FBI involvement has also generated much discussion as to why Berg was really arrested and detained for two weeks in Mosul. The unemployed visitor was suspicious enough for Iraqi police to arrest him – with FBI knowledge.
He had only just been released from prison where he had been held for 13 days by Iraqi police for reasons he said he did not know.
Family blames government
A US newspaper claims an official familiar with the case knew that FBI agents had interogated Berg, but had left him for two weeks because he was in Iraqi - not American - custody. But the official was unable to clarify the legal difference between the two, given the US occupation.
On 5 April, Berg's family filed a suit in federal court in Philadelphia - contending that their son was being held illegally by the US military in Iraq. The next day he was released and left to get himself home.
The last time the family heard from him was on 9 April, his headless body was found near Mosul on 8 May. "That's really what cost my son his life, the fact that the United States government saw fit to keep him in custody for 13 days without any of his due process or civil rights," Michael Berg said.
Final question
Some bloggers focused on the accent of the purported executioner. Many deny the accent is either Iraqi or Jordanian - while claims the voice is Egyptian or Iranian have been made. The Jordanian accused of the beheading Berg is himself believed to have been killed in March, according to two Islamist groups. An eight-page leaflet circulated this week in Falluja, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniya mountains of northern Iraq during a US bombing. But even if it was the Jordanian, one discussion room member observes his face is so well-known that "why would he bother to cover it?" |
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by Sava
Actually, it was the ethnic Albanians that wanted their OWN schools. Is the US going to give the Hispanic population in the Southwest their own schools? Would the US allow them to secede?
NO! So remember that next time you approach a subject you know little about. |
Well if the US government decreed that Hispanics could not be employed by the government, allowed thugs to drive them out of their own private businesses as well, and denied them the right to hold elective offices regardless of whether they came from families living in the area that is now the USA long before the USA was even a twinkle in the founding fathers' eyes then I'd think that secession might be justified.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by Sava
He seems to be confused about a great many things. But that happens when you believe every lie you read. I've been to Kosovo. I saw what happened with my own eyes. And every time I see some ignorant American dumbass say something about the Serbs, I wanna just scream until my eyes bug out of my head. |
Last months National Geographic has a nice article on Kosovo. Lots of nice pictures too. Mass graves, body parts sticking out of the ground, that sort of thing. Would you like for me to post some? I've got a scanner now, all I need I guess is to figure out how much to shrink the pics to fit.
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the_ceebs
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More that will probably have you reaching for that tinfoil hat
9/11 connection. Apparently, Zacarias Moussaoui used Berg's email address for some reason while Berg was at Oklahoma Uni.
Trying to track down a reliable source for this at the moment, but UK news sources are talking openly about it.
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Uncle Sparky
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Winnipeg
Jan 1970
time: 23:36
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So, did the fact he was a Jewish American and, according to his passport, just left Israel get much play in the US ? When I did my first post, this had already been mentioned by the media in Canada. Did it even make it into the mainstream US press ?
As I stated earlier, this was a Muslim/Jew killing just like Bush has a Christian crusade against Islam underway.
Religion should be strictly regulated and religious provocateurs shouldn't be allowed to govern.
Tito was right. You can see how quickly Yugoslavia degenerated from being the shining star in the Evil Empire, to chaos after Tito fell and religious freedoms were granted.
btw - I didn't see the video, but if the throat was slit left to right, there would be very little blood - most would go into the lungs. This would have caused him to asphyxiate before he bled to death - there would have been some convolutions.
Last edited by Uncle Sparky on 17-05-2004 at 08:59
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:36
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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
But you have to remember, Kosovo was a matter of the sweet innocent misunderstood Serbs being victimized by the evil, barbarian bandit Kosovars, and the sweet innocent Serbs were just trying to defend their women and children against the heathen hordes.  |
Because the post occupation history totally contradicts that story . . . oh wait, it doesn't.
Dr. S, there may well be mass graves in Kosovo. The questions you should ask is, how did they die, and who buried them there? For example, before the war, there was a supposed massacre where the U.S. ambassador was brought and shown a bunch of bodies lying on the ground, all shot. Looks pretty damning.
Course what he wasn't told was that these men weren't executed, but were members of the KLA and had been killed in a gun fight. After the police left, their clothers were changed and they were put into a field. The "massacre" was staged.
The most important thing for me was the forensic teams leaving Kosovo six months after the occupation began, saying there were no mass graves.
BTW, there's nothing on Kosovo at NationalGeographic.c om. Plus, I have last month's issue and I don't remember seeing anything about Kosovo. 
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