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Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

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Has Hezbollah's response to this video been mentioned? They called it un-Islamic.


Heh, Hezbollah's the moderates here... who would have thunk it?

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Hehe, one of those questions that should have been answered by the person asking it.

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Sikander and Plato are normally reasonable guys. I expect them to stop thinking this once they are over the shock.


Day Two

Still in shock....

nuke them until they gloww, then nuke them for glowing.










nice sloww...nice.

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The protests began in Kosovo only after the Serbs began disenfranchising and discriminating against the majority Kosovar population.
Actually, it was the ethnic Albanians that wanted their OWN schools. Is the US going to give the Hispanic population in the Southwest their own schools? Would the US allow them to secede?

NO! So remember that next time you approach a subject you know little about.

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and that's a F for Drake for thinking Pakistani's are Arabs...


Maybe if you hung around Indians you might know that "Paki" pretty much means every Muslim on the earth, especially insane Islamist Arabs...

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would that be dot or feather?

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Okay, to take this in a different direction.

The guy who claimed to be al-Zarqawi also denounced Pakistan and Musharaff in this video.

What that tells me is that Al Queda is feeling the heat in their Paki hideouts.

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I've always wondered what ethnicity Pakistanis are technically considered. Punjabi maybe? Turkic? Mughal? Muggle?

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Looks like:

Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun (Pathan), Baloch, Muhajir (immigrants from India and their descendants)

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0855617.html

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and that's a F for Drake for thinking Pakistani's are Arabs...


Maybe if you hung around Indians you might know that "Paki" pretty much means every Muslim on the earth, especially insane Islamist Arabs...


Sorry, still wrong. F

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OK, so he was not planning to leave-and that is meaningless. It is not reasonable to think: "Hmm, if I saty, I will be kidnapped and beheaded". The guy is purely a victim-there are hundreds if not thousands of western civilians in Iraq, and the don't become all darwin candidates for being murdered.

If the guy walked into a firefight, that is one thing. Getting kidnapped, nope, no longer his fault in any way.


Yeah, but most Western civilians aren't being arrested by the US government/Iraqi police. Most civilians have the corporate protection. Most of them don't go walking around by themselves in dangerous neighbourhoods.

This guy is either a top candidate for the Darwin Awards, or there's a whole bunch of stuff we're not being told.

The US gov't claims they offered to fly him out after he was released from jail, but he refused. That's their story any ways.

There's some weird stuff going on here. The numbers don't seem to add up.

See:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154

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Day Two

Still in shock....

nuke them until they gloww, then nuke them for glowing.

nice sloww...nice.


How about volunteering to be a prison guard over there?

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would that be dot or feather?


Dots. It's very hard to hang out with feather Indians, given that there is never more than one of them in a given place at a given time.

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Sorry, still wrong. F


Why don't you actually try contradicting me, instead of handing out those gay-ass grades?

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WHERE IS THE ****ING OUTRAGE IN THE ARAB WORLD FROM THIS??? WHERE??? I SURE AS **** DON'T SEE IT. ARABS CONDONE THIS **** BY THEIR SILENCE **** YOU **** ALL OF YOU


You really ought to spend a minute getting in touch with reality before spouting rediculous assertions like this. Some of the most conservative Islamists in Iraq have condemned the killing:
http://www.islam-online.net/English...article03.shtml
Hell, even the Hizbollah have condemned it:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/040512/15/p/oyu8.html
Gotta love that Juan Cole.

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Mao had at least one thing right : religion is opium for the people...


Now there is one question that has not been asked in this thead : how is this mess going to be solved ? (and no, nuke em until they glow is not to be considered a reasonable answer. unless you wanted to kill each moslim on this planet of course)

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Wasn't it Marx, who said this?

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Could be...
but it was mao who turned this into a religious dogma

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Wasn't it Marx, who said this?


Correct. "Religion is the opiate of the masses".

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oh great, one thing i thought mao was actually right about, he stole from marx



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Three Arab states condemn American's beheading

Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE decry 'barbaric act'

(CNN) -- Three Arab states -- Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates --- are condemning the beheading of American Nicholas Berg by his Iraqi captors, shown in a video that appeared on an Islamist Web site.

"There is no doubt that killing detainees and mutilating the remains of the dead are acts which are condemned by all religions and contrary to the morals of all nations and peoples," Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan said in a statement released Wednesday.

"The Al-Zarqawi group is a criminal, deviant and un-Islamic group, allied with bin Laden and the criminals of Al Qaeda who are killing even Muslims and Arabs for no reason.

"Accordingly, it is not out of character for them to commit acts that violate the teachings of Islam, a noble religion that deplores such acts."

The Web site that posted the video said the killing was carried out by Abu Mus'ab al-Zarqawi , a Jordanian national who heads an Islamist terrorist group that has claimed responsibility for numerous attacks on coalition forces in Iraq. The United States has accused Zarqawi of having close ties with Osama bin Laden.

Berg's captors said his killing was in part a response to the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad.

UAE: 'We are ashamed'

The Jordanian Embassy in Washington issued its own release, decrying the beheading.

"Jordan strongly condemns the barbaric act committed against Mr. Nick Berg, a U.S. contractor in Iraq, by the terrorist group headed by Abu Al Zarqawi.

"Jordan has issued a death sentence against Al Zarqawi for his terrorist activities which threatened to kill thousands of Jordanian citizens and for plotting attacks against U.S. and foreign interests in Jordan."

The United Arab Emirates called the killing a "heinous crime against the civilized world."

"We are ashamed because these terrorists carried out this revolting and inhumane act in the name of our religion and culture," UAE Information Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan said in a written statement. "This disgusting brutality can never be justified and has nothing to do with Islam or with our Arab values."

He also extended the UAE's condolences to the family of Berg, saying, "We pray for them to find the courage and strength to deal with their loss."

In the video, Berg, 26, is shown sitting in front of five armed, hooded men. He is shoved to the ground, and one of his captors pulls out a machete-like knife and decapitates him. One of the men then holds Berg's severed head up for the camera.

As Berg's remains were returned to American soil Wednesday, the United States vowed it would find out who was behind his murder.

"The U.S. government is committed to a very thorough and robust investigation to get to the bottom of this," Dan Senor, spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, told reporters in Baghdad.

Senor said several agencies will be involved in the investigation, including the Department of Defense and the FBI. "We'll be announcing who takes the lead."

President Bush said "there is no justification" for the murder.

"The actions of the terrorists who executed this man remind us of the nature of a few people who want to stop the advance of freedom in Iraq," Bush said.

"Their intention is to shake our will. Their intention is to shake our confidence. Yet by their actions they remind us of how desperately parts of the world need free societies and peaceful societies."

Berg's body was flown to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.

A public memorial service for Berg will be held at 3:30 p.m. Friday at a synagogue, congregation Kesher Israel, in his home city of West Chester, Pennsylvania, said Carl Goldstein, who is with a funeral home in Philadelphia coordinating the service.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast...berg/index.html

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Hardly unexpected considering they are the US's allies in the region

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Where's Kuwait then? Or Bahrain? Or Qatar? All better U.S. allies than these three...

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This is unexpected, but welcome. Urge to kill, fading...

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Three Arab states condemn American's beheading

Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE decry 'barbaric act'

(CNN) -- Three Arab states -- Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates --- are condemning the beheading of American Nicholas Berg by his Iraqi captors, shown in a video that appeared on an Islamist Web site.

"There is no doubt that killing detainees and mutilating the remains of the dead are acts which are condemned by all religions and contrary to the morals of all nations and peoples," Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan said in a statement released Wednesday.

"The Al-Zarqawi group is a criminal, deviant and un-Islamic group, allied with bin Laden and the criminals of Al Qaeda who are killing even Muslims and Arabs for no reason.

"Accordingly, it is not out of character for them to commit acts that violate the teachings of Islam, a noble religion that deplores such acts."

The Web site that posted the video said the killing was carried out by Abu Mus'ab al-Zarqawi , a Jordanian national who heads an Islamist terrorist group that has claimed responsibility for numerous attacks on coalition forces in Iraq. The United States has accused Zarqawi of having close ties with Osama bin Laden.

Berg's captors said his killing was in part a response to the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad.

UAE: 'We are ashamed'

The Jordanian Embassy in Washington issued its own release, decrying the beheading.

"Jordan strongly condemns the barbaric act committed against Mr. Nick Berg, a U.S. contractor in Iraq, by the terrorist group headed by Abu Al Zarqawi.

"Jordan has issued a death sentence against Al Zarqawi for his terrorist activities which threatened to kill thousands of Jordanian citizens and for plotting attacks against U.S. and foreign interests in Jordan."

The United Arab Emirates called the killing a "heinous crime against the civilized world."

"We are ashamed because these terrorists carried out this revolting and inhumane act in the name of our religion and culture," UAE Information Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan said in a written statement. "This disgusting brutality can never be justified and has nothing to do with Islam or with our Arab values."

He also extended the UAE's condolences to the family of Berg, saying, "We pray for them to find the courage and strength to deal with their loss."

In the video, Berg, 26, is shown sitting in front of five armed, hooded men. He is shoved to the ground, and one of his captors pulls out a machete-like knife and decapitates him. One of the men then holds Berg's severed head up for the camera.

As Berg's remains were returned to American soil Wednesday, the United States vowed it would find out who was behind his murder.

"The U.S. government is committed to a very thorough and robust investigation to get to the bottom of this," Dan Senor, spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, told reporters in Baghdad.

Senor said several agencies will be involved in the investigation, including the Department of Defense and the FBI. "We'll be announcing who takes the lead."

President Bush said "there is no justification" for the murder.

"The actions of the terrorists who executed this man remind us of the nature of a few people who want to stop the advance of freedom in Iraq," Bush said.

"Their intention is to shake our will. Their intention is to shake our confidence. Yet by their actions they remind us of how desperately parts of the world need free societies and peaceful societies."

Berg's body was flown to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.

A public memorial service for Berg will be held at 3:30 p.m. Friday at a synagogue, congregation Kesher Israel, in his home city of West Chester, Pennsylvania, said Carl Goldstein, who is with a funeral home in Philadelphia coordinating the service.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast...berg/index.html



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Didn't that just get posted?

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Didn't that just get posted?


I don't think so. And don't question Ted, punk.

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Good to see these reactions.

Now what I'd really love to see is polls. I'm pretty sure the average Iraqi considers the torure in Abu Graihb far worse than the beheading. I wonder what a poll would say about it.

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I'm not sure about this. Torture is (as cruel as it sounds) an integral part of the islamic law system. What put Iraqis in outrage is not the torture itself, but the humiliation, that it was done by infidels.

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I don't know. I think they have been far more sensitive to the symbolic aspect of the torture (making people naked, simulate sex etc.) than by actual physical violence. They have suffered from physical violence under Saddam and they are used to it. But the kind of mental torture brought by the Americans is something new, and I expect something they hate much more.

I personally expect many Iraqis to believe the beheading is far less offensive than what has been done in Abu Graihb.

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Okay, to take this in a different direction.

The guy who claimed to be al-Zarqawi also denounced Pakistan and Musharaff in this video.

What that tells me is that Al Queda is feeling the heat in their Paki hideouts.


They've been denouncing Musharaff since he cozied up with the US after 9/11.

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I told you this already.

 
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