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SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
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What wimps.


51 minutes ago
By Ghaida Ghantous

DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda's leader in Iraq (news - web sites) beheaded an American civilian and vowed more killings in revenge for the "Satanic degradation" of Iraqi prisoners, an Islamist Web site said on Tuesday.

A poor quality videotape on the site showed a man dressed in orange overalls sitting bound on a white plastic chair in a bare room, then knelt on the floor with five masked men behind him.

"My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael... I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah," said the bound man, adding he was from Philadelphia.

One of the masked men read a statement urging Muslims to seek revenge after pictures were published of Iraqi prisoners being abused by U.S. troops at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.

"Nation of Islam, is there any excuse left to sit idly by? And how can free Muslims sleep soundly as they see Islam being slaughtered, honor bleeding, photographs of shame and reports of Satanic degradation of the people of Islam, men and women, in Abu Ghraib prison?" the statement said.

The masked men then pushed the 26-year-old American to the floor and shouted "God is greatest" above his screams as one of them sawed his head off with a large knife then held it aloft for the camera.

The Web site said Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a top ally of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), was the man who cut off Berg's head. The statement in the video was signed off with Zarqawi's name and dated May 11.

Jordanian-born Zarqawi, 37, has raised his profile and status as al Qaeda's most active operational leader with a series of suicide bombs and attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq.

A body found in Baghdad over the weekend was identified on Monday as Berg before the videotape was released.

"Berg's body was found with his hands behind his back and beheaded," said another U.S. official who declined to be identified. "The body was found along a roadside by a U.S. military patrol."

"This shows the true nature of the enemies of freedom," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters. "They have no regard for the lives of innocent men, women and children. We will pursue those responsible and bring them to justice."

MILITANT STATEMENT

Photographs shown around the world of naked Iraqi prisoners stacked in a pyramid or positioned to simulate sex acts at Abu Ghraib prison have provoked international anger and pose a serious setback to U.S. efforts to stabilize Iraq.

President Bush (news - web sites) and British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) have both apologized and pledged to punish those responsible but both governments have come under pressure for senior ministers to take the blame for the abuse.

The militants' statement, addressing families of U.S. soldiers, said Zarqawi's group had offered Washington to swap Berg for Iraqi prisoners held by U.S. troops "but they refused."

"You will only get shroud after shroud and coffin after coffin slaughtered in this manner," it said.

"As for you Bush, dog of the Christians, anticipate what will harm you... You and your soldiers will regret the day you stepped foot in Iraq and dared to violate Muslims."



The murder was condemned by the Council of American-Islamic Relations, a U.S.-based Islamic civil rights and advocacy group.

"We condemn this cold-blooded murder and repudiate all those who commit such acts of mindless violence in the name of religion," it said.

It was not immediately possible to verify the authenticity of the tape carried on the Muntada al-Ansar Islamist Web site, but the CIA (news - web sites) was reviewing the video for clues of who was responsible, a U.S. official said.

"He was a private American citizen not associated with a military contract," said a State Department official.

Berg had been missing for several weeks. He was last heard from on April 9 when he telephoned his parents. He said he was trying to find a safe way home after trying to find work as an independent communications contractor.

"The Berg family is devastated by this loss. They want to extend their sympathy to other families who have also suffered," said Bruce Hauser, their neighbor in the Philadelphia suburb of West Chester.

The ritual killing resembled the murder of U.S. reporter Daniel Pearl, beheaded by Islamist militants in Pakistan. Berg's orange overalls were reminiscent of those worn by al Qaeda suspects held by U.S. troops at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

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What wimps.


A cowardly act in response to a cowardly act.

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Blow me, Tassadar.

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Obviously, it wasn't in response to nothing. However, the actual killing might be "in response" in the sense that it will use the sentiment, and the population's like of revenge, to stir up pro Al Qaeda emotions.

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Blow me, Tassadar.


I'm sure even Reagangod would disapprove of the violations of international law going on in Iraq.

Well....maybe not.

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It's not Reagangod, but simply 'Raygod'.

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They sawed his head off? That poor man, hopefully he went into shock quickly.

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yeah, that's amazingly barbaric, but I am not surprised.

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I saw it on the news. Not the actual sawing off of the head, thank God. But everything leading up to it. These guys are psychos. Seriously, this is some of the most disturbing **** I've ever seen on TV.
I can't imagine how his family is feeling.

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They sawed his head off? That poor man, hopefully he went into shock quickly.


I have the 5 minute video downloaded

It took them about 2 minutes to saw all the way through, but it looked like it took him a minute after the cutting started to finally stop moving his jaw.

*Horror and disgust...* <- Not remotely an sufficient smiley for this

There's more to his story than simply "American murdered by terrorists," but I'm sifting through stuff slowly and the fact that I'm feeling pretty numb all over after watching this is making it difficult to process info.

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Not to be rude or anything but why on earth would you knowingly watch another human being get murdered for no good reason? Especially a fellow countryman. That I just don't understand.

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Who cares if its a fellow countryman? Just watching a fellow human being is too much. What this the difference if it's a Russian soldier being tortured by Chechens or an American having his head sawed off. They're ****ing barbarians who are the enemies of the left and the right.

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Personally, I think that "fellow countryman" is rather irrelevant. I've watched a couple of these productions by islamic *******s on the internet, killing their own countrymen, etc. I never cared about the nationality of the murdered. I stopped downloading those after a while, realizing that there is nothing good coming out of it.

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Tiamat: I watch those kind of things when I can. It puts things in perspective for me. And it reminds me how barbaric and evil those people really are.

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It's amazing how al-Qaeda always manages to effectively bludgeon even the slightest iota of sympathy one might possibly work up towards any cause they happen to support. Surely by now someone in the Arab world has summoned the gumption to ask: "Whose side are they on?"

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I've never downloaded any of them. I refuse to see a fellow human degraded that way.

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I've never downloaded any of them. I refuse to see a fellow human degraded that way.
don't watch "the passion"

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Not to be rude or anything but why on earth would you knowingly watch another human being get murdered for no good reason? Especially a fellow countryman. That I just don't understand.


To see the evil that lurks in the heart of Man.

I feel it is VERY important to see life through the unfiltered lens of reality. It's one thing to read about evil in the newspaper or to listen to Faux News anchors sqwauk their heads off about evil on TV...it's a whole other realm of understanding the issue when you see it with your own eyes.

I wouldn't recommend viewing such graphic material for most people, but I wouldn't discourage them from it either. If you'd never seen the mangled corpses of Nazi prisoners in places like Dacow or Nueremburgh (f*ck the spelling), would words have had the same effect on your understanding of what happened?

When faced with the option to view such things, be smart about it. Know that what you are about to see is horrific. Know that what you are about to see will enrage/horrify/disgust you. Know that what you are about to see might forever alter your views.



Know that what you are about to see is real.

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The more I think of it, the more disgusting it is.

****ing *******s.

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Can't wait for Rush Limbaugh to laugh this off as another college prank gone awry!

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I've never downloaded any of them. I refuse to see a fellow human degraded that way.




I personally do not like throwing up, giving an additional incentive not to watch.

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Can't wait for Rush Limbaugh to laugh this off as another college prank gone awry!


Have some respect moron.

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wow, MrnotFuny was actually... well... nevermind

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I don't want to see it, but where did you get the video DRoseDARs?

If there is a general place that one can get news videos that the networks won't show I'd like to know about it.

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I was very upset with this incident -- no, disgusted by it -- but that doesn't mean I cannot resent others who have laughed off the terrible mistreatments of Iraqi prisoners.

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That Hamill dude is looking pretty lucky right now. Having said that he had the balls to escape.

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It's amazing how al-Qaeda always manages to effectively bludgeon even the slightest iota of sympathy one might possibly work up towards any cause they happen to support. Surely by now someone in the Arab world has summoned the gumption to ask: "Whose side are they on?"


They are obviously hoping that we will take all the Iraqi Prisoners we have and throw them into the plastics shredders.

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Yes, I wonder about that, too. What is that "Islamic Militant" website that it was posted on? Does it have a forum?

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Yes, I wonder about that, too. What is that "Islamic Militant" website that it was posted on? Does it have a forum?
yes, they discuss Sid Muhammed's latest game... Jihadilization 3!

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Trolling their forum would probably get you put on a list. Then again you could register as "Ming", "Rah" or "MichaeltheGreat" and put a link to Poly in your sig.

 
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