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Aug 2001
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... doesn't really mean anything anymore, does it?
I mean in its day the red peril could make many a powerful man take certain things into account. But today it seems it is simply an almost forgotten creed that is aped with imperfection by modern day rebels with very few clues.
There are still some thoughtful individuals who seem to have a grasp of the underlying issues, but Che will get old. Sooner or later all you'll be left with will be the wannabe rebels who think that pictures of Stalin or Hammers and Sickles are cool because they cause a stir amongst the old folks. Used to be a leather jacket and a motor cycle did that. Motor cycles were fun, but what do you get from a picture of a symbol of a failed state?
I wonder what it is like to subscribe to an ideology that has been consigned to the ash bin of history. Can some of the communists resident let us know how it feels?
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notyoueither
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of naught
Aug 2001
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Somebody said: "A 20 years old, who isn't a communist, has no heart. A 40 years old, who's still a communist, has no brain." And Bismarck said "A dullard, who's opinion with 60 is still the same he had with 30." I think there's a lot of truth in both. |
Yes, but how does it feel, Sir Ralph? You're a serious man. I would like to hear your words on it.
Are you still a Communist? Why? If not, why not?
If you are, then why don't you 'fly the flag' as so many of the young wannbe rebels around here do?
Leftist is not Communist. I'm sure the left has room for more people than that, just as the right is not entirely fascist. But those who strut around with the symbols of blood thrust proudly forward... I've gotta wonder if they have a clue. I have to wonder what welcome a person who hoisted the fasces as an avatar would receive.
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
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Originally posted by notyoueither
I mean in its day the red peril could make many a powerful man take certain things into account. But today it seems it is simply an almost forgotten creed that is aped with imperfection by modern day rebels with very few clues. |
There are several forms of communist engagement. You can have the Chegitzes, who have undergone a really serious political education in marxism. You can have people like Azazel or myself, who think of an actual socialist / communist model, and how it'd work. You can have rebels without a clue. You can have people whose whole family is communist, and who further the tradition. And probably other forms of engagement as well.
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There are still some thoughtful individuals who seem to have a grasp of the underlying issues, but Che will get old. Sooner or later all you'll be left with will be the wannabe rebels who think that pictures of Stalin or Hammers and Sickles are cool because they cause a stir amongst the old folks. |
I disagree. I don't think they'll become far more numerous. There is something strong in the communist idea, something that can be very attractive for some people having serious political ideas. And unless another generous idea of a political system emerges to replace communism, it will continue to exert its attractiveness.
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I wonder what it is like to subscribe to an ideology that has been consigned to the ash bin of history. Can some of the communists resident let us know how it feels? |
Even though I depict myself as a Socialist, I do belong to the Communist Party. I hear that argument very often: "you belong to the past", "you're history" etc.
Maybe that's because I'm still a naive young guy, but it feels extremely sad, for one reason: our message is NOT a message of the past. The Communist Party works on many today's issues. In the few places where we are at the helm, the economy serves the people as much as possible, and we do a good job at it.
But our image is extremely bad. We encouter throngs of people who, like you, are prejudiced into believing our political message is stuck in the 20s. It takes a long, long time to explain. And many people, even when interested by the explanations, won't change their prejudices.
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Long live teh Schwampel!
Dec 2001
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I wouldn't call myself a Socialist either, just to create some distance between me and the crooks in power in my country. When it comes to polls, I vote differently. In the election to the European parliament, I will vote communist, simply because I believe, that democracy needs a good mix of opinions, and communists are underrepresented. In the next Bundestag election, I will vote conservative, because those economically completely incompetent idiots we have in power shall not get a third term by all means. Elections for the state of Bavaria I ignore. I can't be arsed to vote for that crook Stoiber, and there's no viable alternative worth of my vote in sight. When it comes to Communal elections, I vote for those with the best program, no matter what party they're in.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
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Marx argued that communism would naturally follow captialism. The problem with the early communists is that they tried to force communisim into agrarian socieites.
Communism will be the choice of the future.
We can already see that capitalism is eating itself up. The rich are getting richer. The middle class and the poor are becoming poorer. Megacorporations are squashing entreprenuers. It's a system that is bound to collapse.
What we need is a system where the workers become the owners of production and that is already starting to happen.
Edit: what's happening in China is that they are building a capitalist state knowing that it will eventually lead to a true communism. They're taking the long view, which is something that capitalists are incapable of doing, and that's another reason why capitalism is doomed to failure.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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chegitz:
the same things could be said about the beginnings of fascist and democratic states though...
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Comrade Tassadar
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I feel just fine.
The oppression that people are suffering under capitalism is just....Most people think of oppression as the state surpressing your ability to speak. However the oppression I see under the United States is much different. Corperations and government become on in the same, and instead of surpressing the ability to speak, they surpress the ability to hear.
Economic oppression is, IMO, worse than political oppression because its difficult to (get others to) see and even more difficult to stop.
Perhaps utopian communism will never be reached by humanity, which is incredibly sad. However, even if we are in a superminority, we must continue to at least try to reform capitalism. If everyone tells themselves "Its not possible, so lets not even aspire for it" then it will become as such.
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communism will always be relevant when causes which created it exist. it has influenced hugely the european political systems, it does signify and is linked to fights for wider justice and i dont see it eclisping any time soon. it IS in power in some european countries either on its own or in coalitions and its offsprings like the socialists are gov. in lots of countries as well.
so no, as long as there are issues there will always be communism. it also serves to rally people under a banner to fight for matters of justice, it goes splendindly with antiamericanism too.
no communism hasnt died, hasnt even withered. talking about european communism. which i dont like but i am with it in matters that demand justice, autonomy, and other worthy causes
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