19-05-2004 03:15									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Number of people in the military, number of armor, number of planes, naval power, stuff like that.

That would be cool if it could be programmed.

	19-05-2004 03:28									#122
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If number of soldiers can be, why can't this be?

	19-05-2004 03:32									#123
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Probably it can be. Maybe Rasputin will have a look at it later.

	19-05-2004 06:25									#124
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Yes it can be done, but i will need information , if someone can give me a breakdown of the USA army, airfiorce navy etc . i can put tha tin as a base then allow people to decide if they are Balanced,
Navy Strong,
Airforce strong.

Should be good,

	19-05-2004 06:33									#125
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1. Maybe you can add options for preferences and for circumstances.

Preferences would be straight-forward: emphasize what you want.

Circumstances could be like... island nation increases navy, for example.

2. Here's a pretty good site to get you started on military numbers, but you might have to navigate a bit to find what you want:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/

If you need really basic stuff, try wikipedia.

	19-05-2004 06:40									#126
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thanks for that... wil lhave a look over the next coupl of days

	19-05-2004 12:53									#127
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One thing you need to consider is a country with a huge military budget is going to suck economically, realistically speaking.

Other than the link posted previously, which was about military strength, in terms of number of soldiers, as % of population, also consider the military budget as a % of GDP.

A national budget of 20% GDP is considered a large government, and a 10% military budget is considered high. And that amounts to 2% of GDP. A 20% military budget is very high and can be sustained only in the short term (say, several years). Otherwise your economy suffers and your country will collapse, just like the former USSR.

So a country with a Frightening economy can only have something like a 0.5% GDP for military budget. Or you won't have a Frightening economy. OTOH, A country with an Imploded economy can spend lots (as percentage of GDP anyway) on the military. Seems paradoxical, but true.

	19-05-2004 12:57									#128
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For that matter, those military spending figures may very well be why the country's economy is in the stte it is; the Rightening one has spent little, relatively speaking, and thus has been able to grow, while the Imploded is so because too many resources went into the military while the economy collapsed.

	19-05-2004 14:47									#129
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i agree with these statements. i have based the numbers that the sheet spits out on the us figures so they are far more realistic and from what i see, america not yet gone broke ....

	19-05-2004 15:54									#130
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But it is very close to.

	19-05-2004 16:09									#131
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nah... they own the banks they never go broke !!!

	19-05-2004 18:55									#132
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Actually, the US has by far the largest foreign debt in the world. Theoretically, if the rest of the world decided to get tough and not do any more trading with the US until they repaid what they already owe us, the US would be in some pretty serious trouble.

Realistically though, most of us would be in even bigger trouble, so we sort of just accept that they owe us an awful lot of money and that they get to pay us back when they say so...

	19-05-2004 19:25									#133
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The Soviet Union couldn't afford the cold war and eventually collapsed as a result.

The US couldn't afford the cold war either, but they managed to borrow enough money to pull through.

	19-05-2004 19:29									#134
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sucks doesnt it .....

	19-05-2004 23:12									#135
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Actually, in reality, one can have a strong military, and not tank financially, simply by not having a good amount of consumer goods. It's possible.

	20-05-2004 01:03									#136
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or by not spending money on welfare.....

	20-05-2004 08:12									#137
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Raspie's efforts, while noble, are currently insufficient for my puropses.
The PBMC, while easily abused, is our best alternative in my opinion.

	20-05-2004 08:43									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Actually, in reality, one can have a strong military, and not tank financially, simply by not having a good amount of consumer goods. It's possible.

Generally, a large percentage of GDP is driven by the consumer market. Well, in a capitalist society anyway.

	20-05-2004 09:21									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Squeblish Nef? Raspie's efforts, while noble, are currently insufficient for my puropses. The PBMC, while easily abused, is our best alternative in my opinion.

Whats the PBMC???

	20-05-2004 12:02									#140
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Point Based Military Creator.
Look for the past thread on this forum, titled 'Exhuming a Discussion on Military Numbers and Role-play', or something like that.

	20-05-2004 12:09									#141
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You want to know what the problem with the PBMC is? You get given way too many points to spend. If it gave out less points, then even powerful nations would need to make trade-offs in their miltiary, so setting one up would be something you'd actually have to think about. As it stands, big nations just have to set every category to 'Excellent' and then see how high they can put the military percentage...

	20-05-2004 12:20									#142
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Aye, but you don't necessarily have to create BSish amounts of hordes of god-monstering, turbonuke-armed, flying cyberNazis.
You don't actually have to spend all of your points, you know.
A man can make trade-offs!

	20-05-2004 12:47									#143
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Well, if I were using an unreformed PBMC, I would certainly not spend all the points it gave me. You might not spend all the points it gave you. But a lot of people would spend all the points it gave them. Someone like Lazerus would see it as proof that he can make an x-bomb that destroys a whole city.

Edit: clarity

Last edited by Mr. President on 21-05-2004 at 05:34

	20-05-2004 16:59									#144
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yes that was precisely why we didnt keep using that one.. i know this new one isnt up to scratch yet as it doesnt (YET) give breakup into army.navy etc... and also i would like to see it have more input from nationstates than at present..

I ahve jsut received from there the list of all catagories that i can get the spreadsheet to read from automatically and ocne i figure out how to do that i will put up the newe version for you all to try...