19-05-2004 03:44									#61
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quote: When you are pro-the group on top, you are necessarily anti-the group on bottom. It's like being pro-white in the South during Jim Crow.

So prochoicers are anti-lifers?

	19-05-2004 03:48									#62
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quote: As for people's opinion on blackice, while I admit posting only articles that show the injustice against men is hardly equal, all I have seen him arguing for is equality in everything.

Just because one posts threads on one topic in particular does not make one against women.

It can be as simple as wanting to get a viewpoint expressed that is not being heard.

I think blackice does that job admirably.

	19-05-2004 03:50									#63
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quote: The process could be extrapolated to humans if it weren't for the regulations.

Has the experiment been replicated?

	19-05-2004 03:52									#64
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quote: Not entirely true. Some Japanese scientists have managed to create rats from DNA from two female rats. The process could be extrapolated to humans if it weren't for the regulations.

Not entirely true. While they did do that, it was only friggin' rats for God's sake, and a HUGELY more complicated process would be needed for humans.

	19-05-2004 03:54									#65
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quote: Kids are hardest hurt by some of the antimale laws that exsist today, and fathers have become uncle dads. That is simply not right, these radical feminist groups that promote fatherless families obviously do not have the "kids" as the first and foremost consideration. Studies show kids need both personalities to mature properly.

I had an interesting conversation yesterday where I heard some women friends of mine speaking up about the men, and the quality of the men. Now, unlike many they see the connection between the treatment of society to men, and the fact that they are being asked to shoulder more and more of the burden.

They are sick and tired of it, but they at least put the blame in the right place. Unless you affirm that men should have an equal say with their children, you will see more and more men walk away from their families, and a greater burden put on the mothers.

Then the mothers pass that onto the daughters, and what happens to the sons? Who will be their models?

	19-05-2004 06:56									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Zero *****es, go make me a sandwich.

	19-05-2004 06:57									#67
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Drogue thanks I also agree with ted and the others and Ted I did stay home and raised my child. best thing you can do for your child. As with women I saw my earning potential go way down after the 5 years away from my choosen field. I did not have job protection as women do I had to fight for every inch as far as child tax benefits and all the other funds that go directly to women without question who stay home and raise thier children. I even took the feds to court, to get these benefits freely handed out to women. Why? I was doing the same job as women... Now it is changing with several court cases under my belt all victories for my child and I and two constitutional challenges on going. People like myself are making a difference for your kids. The rules are balancing and the kids win. So will society once we get back to a balance. So in Canada at least when your kids grow up and your son stays home to raise his kids. Think of this so-called woman hater who posted here because he will not have to go through what I did to do it...because some of us do make a difference by action... oh and Ted FATHERS4JUSTICE are making a difference over there. The custody and access numbers there are an obvious example of men being on the top of the food chain. Equality, top of the food chain heh right media hype.

Good job man.

I never thought about the laws and how they wouldn't protect a stay at home father.

	19-05-2004 07:53									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Not entirely true. Some Japanese scientists have managed to create rats from DNA from two female rats. The process could be extrapolated to humans if it weren't for the regulations.

We have NK on standby to deal with this problem though.

	19-05-2004 08:55									#69
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Women is the cause of all problems. They are trouble. Stay away from them.

They laugh, and they cry. I mean how annoying that is. And they appear when you the least expect them to appear, and they disappear. And they spend money. They consume your body, and demand your heart. They dream, and ask for love. Can it be even more silly than this? And they don't use logic. And they are proud of that. And they are beautiful to look at. What sin. And they don't want to be your girlfriend. I mean WTF? What use are they if they don't want to be your girlfriend? They should be ashamed that they put you into the position of feeling frustrated and having the urge to do something bad. I mean reeeeally bad. Yes they should be responsible for all the troubles in the world. War especially. And bad children.

	19-05-2004 09:02									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Tiamat How many women are here to defend themselves. Trust me I would much rather have been able to stay home and raise my children rather then work. But when my husband left me with an 18 month old baby and 3 months pregnant and said you figure it out....I did. That meant I had to go to work and work two jobs considering that the lovely man didn't see his kids or even pay child support for over 10 years. And yes I can without question say that his absence over the years and non communication with his girls has scared them for life and I feel in my heart that if he had been a presence any kind of presence in their lifes then they would have taken a different turn. Children need the love and guidence of both parents or at the very least a mother and father be it step parent or not. But they need both.

You realize that even with real life examples such as this one from your own life will still get you labeled as a feminazi by chauvanistic, ignorant guys who profess to be "real men?"

	19-05-2004 10:17									#71
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quote: you labeled as a feminazi by chauvanistic, ignorant guys who profess to be "real men?"

Gee, I see only you applying that term to Tia.

	19-05-2004 10:31									#72
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No, I was not applying it to Tia -- I was talking about others who would.

	19-05-2004 10:35									#73
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Well, I haven't seen anyone call Tia those names.

Could it be there are no chauvinistic, ignorant guys on Apolyton?

	19-05-2004 10:36									#74
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Oh, there's a small handful I'm sure.




And besides, where was I explicitly referring to only Apolytoners?



Maybe . . . . .


I was referring to these types of men in general.

	19-05-2004 10:38									#75
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Obviously you have missed out on some threads here in the past in which some have made truly degrading remarks about women in general.



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	19-05-2004 10:40									#76
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I'm sure I'll tell you if I see any.

	19-05-2004 10:43									#77
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Man -- you had to have seen some over the period you have been a member.

some clues . . . . .


"Would you hit it?"

"Hot or not?"

	19-05-2004 10:45									#78
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I seem to remember petitioning for a babe thread.



Could that be one of them?

	19-05-2004 10:45									#79
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yep

	19-05-2004 10:46									#80
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I seem to also remember certain folks petitioning for a hunk thread.

	19-05-2004 10:47									#81
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There's nothing wrong with pornography . . . . .



but really, some of the lewd remarks from some of the Apolytoners seemed to have been truly degrading.

	19-05-2004 10:48									#82
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So I made a bad choice of words . . . . .


I should have just referred to some of the remarks made WITHIN those threads.

	19-05-2004 10:57									#83
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quote: There's nothing wrong with pornography . . . . . but really, some of the lewd remarks from some of the Apolytoners seemed to have been truly degrading.

That's an interesting stance. Most who find the remarks degrading also make a case against pornography.

	19-05-2004 11:06									#84
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun There's nothing wrong with pornography . . . . . but really, some of the lewd remarks from some of the Apolytoners seemed to have been truly degrading.

Is it degrading to a woman to be physically attracted to her?

	19-05-2004 11:08									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi That's an interesting stance. Most who find the remarks degrading also make a case against pornography.

I don't see the inconsistency between enjoying pornography from that of making demeaning remarks about women.

	19-05-2004 11:09									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Is it degrading to a woman to be physically attracted to her?

no

	19-05-2004 11:12									#87
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I don't see the inconsistency between enjoying pornography from that of making demeaning remarks about women.

so what do you consider demeaning remarks?

essentually all that is is guys saying out loud what they are thinking in their mind when they see pornography.

So you are saying it's okay to think it, but not say it?

believe me, I wish I wasn't attracted to women. I wish I didn't have dirty, nasty thoughts about them, but I do.

	19-05-2004 11:13									#88
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Yes -- are there not some things that are simply better left unsaid?

	19-05-2004 11:15									#89
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I don't know. Maybe.

We need to ask a woman's opinion.

I try not to say bad things. Although I have been known to use Ted Striker's catch phrase. Sometimes I think there are no women posters here.

In fact, I'm still not convinced the supposed women posters aren't DL's .

I've been known to talk dirtier when I'm with a group of guys. I was like this in the navy. We had no women at all on our ships essentually.

In real life, I'm afraid to say anything controversial around women. I'm scared to death of sexual harrassment lawsuits. I don't even use the F word around women.

	19-05-2004 11:17									#90
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But does it matter what gender of a person we are asking for an opinion from?

Just because a woman might think there is nothing wrong with the demeaning remarks, does that make it ok?



For example -- there are blacks who think segregation is ok because they do not want to have anything to do with white people. Would that make segregation ok?