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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:36
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free verse has no harmony between the rhyme and the sense because it has no rhyme...
maybe a free verse 'poem' that uses another poetic device heavily (such as alliteration) has worth but otherwise, free verse is just laziness... a pretentious attempt at sounding intellectual when no real talent is shown.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:36
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if you ask me, there was never a truly great poet until William Griffin introduced multiple syllable rhymes though there was still an occasionally great poem before then like Melvin Glover's "Message"
quote:
A child is born with no state of mind
Blind to the ways of mankind
God is smilin' on you but he's frownin' too
Because only God knows what you'll go through
You'll grow in the ghetto livin' second-rate
And your eyes will sing a song called deep hate
The places you play and where you stay
Looks like one great big alleyway
You'll admire all the number-book takers
Thugs, pimps and pushers and the big money-makers
Drivin' big cars, spendin' twenties and tens
And you'll wanna grow up to be just like them, huh
Smugglers, scramblers, burglars, gamblers
Pickpocket peddlers, even panhandlers
You say I'm cool, huh, I'm no fool
But then you wind up droppin' outta high school
Now you're unemployed, all non-void
Walkin' round like you're Pretty Boy Floyd
Turned stick-up kid, but look what you done did
Got sent up for a eight-year bid
Now your manhood is took and you're a Maytag
Spend the next two years as a undercover fag
Bein' used and abused to serve like hell
'til one day, you was found hung dead in the cell
It was plain to see that your life was lost
You was cold and your body swung back and forth
But now your eyes sing the sad, sad song
Of how you lived so fast and died so young so... |
Last edited by Albert Speer on 17-05-2004 at 23:07
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molly bloom
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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:36
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What Is Our Life
What is our life? A play of passion.
Our mirth the musicke of division,
Our mother's wombes the tyring houses be,
Where we are drest for this short Comedy,
Heaven the judicious sharpe spectator is,
That sits and markes still who doth act amisse,
Our graves that hide us from the searching Sun
Are like drawne curtaynes when the play is done,
Thus march we playing to our latest rest,
Onely we dye in earnest, that's no Jest.
Sir Walter Raleigh
Forsake thy cage,
Thy rope of sands,
Which pettie thoughts have made, and made to thee
Good cable, to enforce and draw,
And be thy law,
While thou didst wink and wouldst not see.
Away; take heed:
I will abroad.
Call in thy deaths head there: tie up thy fears.
from 'The Collar' by George Herbert
O western wynd, when wilt thou blow
That the small rain down can rain?
Christ! that my love were in my arms!
And I in my bed again!
Anon, English
W.B. Yeats (1865–1939). from 'The Wild Swans at Coole', 1919.
An Irish Airman foresees his Death
I KNOW that I shall meet my fate
Somewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate
Those that I guard I do not love;
My country is Kiltartan Cross,
My countrymen Kiltartan’s poor,
No likely end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.
Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
Nor public man, nor cheering crowds,
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tumult in the clouds;
I balanced all, brought all to mind,
The years to come seemed waste of breath,
A waste of breath the years behind
In balance with this life, this death.
Whyfore I likes poetry and lotsa other examples too as well.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:36
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quote:
Originally posted by molly bloom
Given the likes of Asher's 'scholarly' dismissal of some of the major works of world literature, I'm inclined to agree with you.
I'm of the opinion that most people called Asher who given opinions about art or literature couldn't tell a Pisan Canto from a deep dish pizza.
'Most poetry is utter ****.
Most poets are utter ****.
Most people who like most poetry are utter ****.'
Asher Bonnaduce Capote Taylor Coleridge, literary critic and cultural eminence grise, giving us the benefit of his inexperience. |
The irony here is you have dissed my awesome poetry because you don't understand it. 
That's exactly my point about poetry -- it means whatever the author wants it to.
And all I said is most poetry is crap, if that includes "some of the major works", then "major works" accounts for a sizable portion of "most poetry". 
See, I may not be a poetry expert, but at least I have logic and reasoning ability, which is infinitly more valuable. 
Most of the modern "cultured" people are pompous *****. I'm cultured, just in a different way than you are. I may not be able to recite the precise weight of any tenor in the past 500 years, but I am more connected to the modern culture than you ever will be.
Your culture of old has been replaced with electronic culture, you can accept that now or you can keep denying it.
Culture is in the eye of the beholder. What I'm cultured in will lead to sizable wealth and happiness, what you're cultured in leads to snobiness and arrogant queens. 
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:36
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quote:
Originally posted by monolith94
Quite honestly, the vast majority of people who hate poems do so because they can't understand them, usually as the result of having either no patience or no critical faculty. |
Or, perhaps they see poetry for what it is -- an infantile waste of time void of structure, and the meaning is so cryptic that the true intention and true meaning of poems are left to guesswork and thesis writing of overly-paid British scholars at artsy universities who serve no purpose but to tell others what they think an irrelevant work from 400 years ago really means.
Cultured my ass, they're candidates for unemployment and street-life. No wonder so many of them are heavily left-wing, they depend on the real success of others to have a parasitic relationship with society, under the guise of contributing to society's "culture".
I'll tell you one thing -- what people like Bill Gates have done has had far more impact on today's culture than any contemporary poet. In fact, I don't think any contemporary poet has any relevance to today's culture, whatsoever.
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molly bloom
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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Asher
The irony here is you have dissed my awesome poetry because you don't understand it.
That's exactly my point about poetry -- it means whatever the author wants it to.
And all I said is most poetry is crap, if that includes "some of the major works", then "major works" accounts for a sizable portion of "most poetry".
See, I may not be a poetry expert, but at least I have logic and reasoning ability, which is infinitly more valuable.
Most of the modern "cultured" people are pompous *****. I'm cultured, just in a different way than you are. I may not be able to recite the precise weight of any tenor in the past 500 years, but I am more connected to the modern culture than you ever will be.
Your culture of old has been replaced with electronic culture, you can accept that now or you can keep denying it.
Culture is in the eye of the beholder. What I'm cultured in will lead to sizable wealth and happiness, what you're cultured in leads to snobiness and arrogant queens. |
You sad pathetic ignoramus. The irony is in such a semi-literate klutz posing as a literary critic.
Let's pick oh, four works of European literature that some of the 'Poly posters that don't brag about their ignorance, might be familiar with:
the Iliad, the Canterbury Tales, the Aeneid and, oh, Goethe's Faust.
How many of them do you have even a passing familiarity with, hmm?
You remind me of a fairly apposite quote:
"I told him I had been that morning at a meeting of the people called Quakers, where I had heard a woman preach.
Johnson: "Sir, a woman's preaching is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all."
Boswell's Life of Johnson
Thus Asher commenting on literature/culture, more specifically poetry, when he admits to being ignorant of so much of it, is not something done well, but it is surprising for its being uttered at all.
I haven't even read 'most' poetry in English, let alone in Italian, Greek (ancient or modern), Hindi, Sanskrit, Mandarin or Swahili.
Thus, I don't offer my opinion on 'most' poetry.
Perhaps you might find a valuable lesson in that. Unfortunately given your current levels of comprehension and arrogance, I doubt it very much.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:36
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Damn I'm good. *flex*
FWIW, Molly, it doesn't work well to counter someone's argument about those who pride themselves in being so "cultured" to simply list off a bunch of overrated, ancient works and then laugh that other people don't give a sh*t about them.
You're happy reading about Sir Wayne McNobby writing poems describing ejaculating in tin cans, while I'm happy reading about tonight's hockey game.
Both are cultured, but they are different. The problem is, the arrogant snobs such as yourself only consider one to be real culture.
BTW, I have read and studied the Iliad back in high school. I can safely say it was incredibly boring, and a complete waste of my time that I could have spend doing something productive, like studying how the new XViD codec works. 
The Canterbury tales is something we did well before high school. How cultured of you.
Last edited by Asher on 18-05-2004 at 09:58
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molly bloom
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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Asher
Damn I'm good. *flex*
FWIW, Molly, it doesn't work well to counter someone's argument about those who pride themselves in being so "cultured" to simply list off a bunch of overrated, ancient works and then laugh that other people don't give a sh*t about them.
You're happy reading about Sir Wayne McNobby writing poems describing ejaculating in tin cans, while I'm happy reading about tonight's hockey game.
Both are cultured, but they are different. The problem is, the arrogant snobs such as yourself only consider one to be real culture.
BTW, I have read and studied the Iliad back in high school. I can safely say it was incredibly boring, and a complete waste of my time that I could have spend doing something productive, like studying how the new XViD codec works.
The Canterbury tales is something we did well before high school. How cultured of you. |
Tell me, are you proud of demonstrating your ignorance, like a shut-in with some tinny little badge out a cheap Christmas cracker?
I love your summation of the 'Canterbury Tales'- perhaps you could interest someone like Brodie's Notes in your expert precis of it:
'we did it well before high school'.
Imagine- who knew Canadians studied Middle English so early. 
Since you don't know what my views on culture are, nor indeed what I think constitutes culture, you're hardly in a position to comment on that either.
The extent of your ignorance grows in leaps and bounds.
Overrated ancient works- gosh, close familiarity with the texts of the Aeneid and Faust really paid off for you there with those searching critiques, didn't it?
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:36
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no, skanky... poetry is a form of expression... the poet expresses an idea or ideas with a poem
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Adalbertus
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Cologne, Germany
Feb 2001
time: 06:36
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Asher, the things you list as values, technology, wealth, hockey and so on, rate as being civilised, not as being cultured. Both exist and are necessary for human society, you can't simply put away one of them.
Somehow, you look like most poets:
They think they are incredibly smart, where they are only incredible.
(Btw. Goethe always looks to me like someone very unmature. And intelligent persons tend to prefer Schiller. )
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