17-05-2004 13:39									#1
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do you like it?

I have tried to get into it when I was in school. But perhaps I do not have strong enough social and language skills to fully appreciate it. Simply put, I think it's crap . But somebody must read this stuff, as poetry has been around thousands of years.

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	17-05-2004 13:53									#2
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Most poetry IS crap, but there's some good modern stuff.

-Jam

	17-05-2004 13:54									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski ... poetry IS crap, ...

	17-05-2004 14:00									#4
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The only good poetry in the world is that found on depressed, goth teenage girl's blogs.

	17-05-2004 14:23									#5
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That's because you uncivilised barbarians don't know any Chinese poetry.

	17-05-2004 14:39									#6
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quote: ... and the Manfools piled rock on rocks and raised a treesie roof, Hammers saws tear the skin of goodsie wood ... and laughs at the Woodsie Lord. ... and when learns the Lord of this, He sends His beastesses to the Manfools... ... who attacks and hammers saws their useless fleshes And build him a house of they rotting skins. - Unattributed Trickster Song. Thief

There is good poetry, you just need to know where to look for it.

	17-05-2004 14:48									#7
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quote: Builds your roofs of dead wood. Builds your walls of dead stone. Builds your dreams of dead thoughts. Comes crying laughing singing back to life, takes what you steal, And pulls the skins from your dead bones shrieking. - A clay tablet in an abandoned Trickster temple. Thief

	17-05-2004 15:10									#8
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most of it does n't even rhyme!

	17-05-2004 15:13									#9
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Poetry is best when heard rather than read.

And has been popular with virtually all people at virtually all times.

Currently most clearly in the lyrics to pop tunes and raps.

	17-05-2004 15:15									#10
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Free verse is not poetry. Poetry is harmony between the rhyme and the sense. If either of these components is missing, it's not poetry.

	17-05-2004 15:25									#11
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So now haiku ever written was poetry?
Interesting definition.

	17-05-2004 15:33									#12
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None of these ones are mine, either.
From a limericks thread.

quote: There once was a very bad poet, Although he did not even....realize He tried to make it rhyme, But it didn't at all And it was probably the worst limerick ever, And it had one line too many. - Saturnine There once was a man from Earl's Court Whose limericks always fell short He'd get to line four But could think of no more There was a young man from Tyree Whose limericks stopped at line three He never said why. There was a young fellow from Crewe Whose limericks stopped at line two. There was a young fellow called Dunn

	17-05-2004 16:17									#13
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I like poetry. I don't read that much, and haven't written one for at least 2 years, but I do like them. My sig being an example

	17-05-2004 16:43									#14
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BTW, although I said most poetry was crap, I voted that I like poetry.

Of all limericks this the worst,
Second line no better that the first,
The syntax it wrong,
The fourth line is just a little bit too long,
And the last line don't even rhyme.

-Jam

	17-05-2004 18:28									#15
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A limericks thread.
Good to know one's limitations.

Like it's a real surprise Dissident can't muddle through any poetry.

	17-05-2004 18:42									#16
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider The only good poetry in the world is that found on depressed, goth teenage girl's blogs.

	17-05-2004 18:43									#17
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"Why is my horn so evil
You are my mangled, dripping heart
When you collapse of my satanic cloud my beautiful darkness ruptures
Where is the thorns of my heart ????
When I change, You consume.
whisper, suffocate, beat!!!"

Courtesy of the Gothic Poetry Generator!
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/bhox...oth_poetry.html

	17-05-2004 19:10									#18
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I wrote a poem during my Literature exam. I had to write about Schillers Wallenstein and couldn't, because I hadn't read not a single page of it. So I wrote a poem about the exam itself, and about me not knowing ****. I got caught by the teacher. He liked it, and I got an additional 1 (= A) together with the 5 (= E) I produced about the original exam stuff. Together, this made a 3, and I got into the oral examination, two weeks later. I warned my teacher, if my questions are not about Goethes Faust (where I'm an expert), I will produce another 5. The oral exam came, and my questions were about Faust. I got a 1 and finished Literature with a 2. That was all I wanted. So my poem saved me from completely blowing my exams. Now, 26 years later, I still could probably reproduce it.

	17-05-2004 19:22									#19
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* Adagio joins the "poetry is crap" community

	17-05-2004 19:31									#20
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quote: Now, 26 years later, I still could probably reproduce it.

* Jamski calls your bluff *

Go on then, let's read it.

-Jam

	17-05-2004 19:41									#21
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Never cared for it, except I like epic poems that tell a story (Gilgamesh, the Iliad, etc.)

	17-05-2004 19:47									#22
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quote: * Jamski calls your bluff * Go on then, let's read it. -Jam

Here you are. It's in German (what else), but you surely can read it.

Deutschprüfung

Ich sitze hier im weiten Saal
und bin zerstreut und aufgeregt.
Du lieber Gott oh welche Qual
und Prüfung ist mir auferlegt.

In meinem Kopfe kreisen Worte
und Sätze wie im Tollhaus 'rum.
Oh ich vergeh an diesem Orte
Bin ich tatsächlich denn so dumm?

Doch da, ein leiser Hoffnungsschimmer
er glänzt und strahlt dort in der Luft.
Komm her, noch bist du nur Geflimmer
und schnell in Schall und Rauch verpufft.

Ach bitte lass dich doch bequemen
denn ich hab nie ein Buch gelesen
(du musst es mir nicht übelnehmen
dass Deutsch noch nie mein Fall gewesen).

Er zögert, ich kann es nicht fassen.
Hab ich umsonst gesehnt, geflucht?
ich trau mich nicht es zuzulassen,
dass nun der Satan mich versucht.

Soll ich es wagen, abzuschreiben?
Ich sitze da, gesunk'nen Mutes.
Doch nein, ich lass es lieber bleiben,
da vorn der Lehrer plant nichts Gutes.

Er sieht zu mir, als würd' er denken,
na warte, ich erwisch dich schon!
Wie schaff ich es, ihn abzulenken?
Doch ach, die Zeit rennt mir davon.

Es ist nur noch 'ne Viertelstunde,
das freilich ist zu wenig Zeit
für geniale Geistesfunde
(ich tu mir fast schon selber leid).

Ich wund're mich, dass ich noch lebe,
ich schreib so schnell als wär ich toll
den Aufsatz nun, ach was, ich gebe
jetzt ab, ich hab die Schnauze voll.

	17-05-2004 19:58									#23
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I like it. Poetry is good when its funny

quote: (du musst es mir nicht übelnehmen dass Deutsch noch nie mein Fall gewesen)

ist

MORE!

-Jam

	17-05-2004 20:06									#24
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Can't give more, it's the only one I ever wrote. Except of a limerick (again in German) I wrote in another stupid seminar.

Frau Schmidt sagt: Was sind das für Sitten?
Dein Rauchen möcht ich mir verbitten!
Herr Schmidt wurd' sehr böse
fasst sie an die Öse
und grapschte auch nach ihren Fritten.

The italic words to be replaced by similar sounding, which would get me banned if I posted them in English.

	17-05-2004 20:22									#25
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quote: Originally posted by The Vagabond Free verse is not poetry. Poetry is harmony between the rhyme and the sense. If either of these components is missing, it's not poetry.

Rhyme is a chain that kept poetry from developing for much too long, locking it into increasingly dulled lyrical structures. Poetry is, and always has been, about the interaction of sound and imagery and meaning, with things like rhythm and timbre and feel being much more important than kiddy rhyming ever was.

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I love poetry. It's a sort of primal place where new truths are disclosed, new understandings are understood, where the world is simultaneously created and interpreted through sound and images. All art aspires to its condition, its ability to take everyday sound structures and create startling revelations through juxtaposition, through combination, through harmony or disharmony. It's human thinking's ultimate tool for approaching truth. It penetrates all power-structures, supremely democratising creation, with the best poets inevitably being those from outside the safe discourse at the centre of society, the innovators being immigrants, women, the disposessed. Poetry is life and the creator of life, the most straightforwadly impacting artform yet the most intellectually challenging. I certainly can't get enough.

	17-05-2004 20:23									#26
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Would you care to attempt a translation, Sir Ralph?

Please disregard if your muse is too busy having the decade off.

But if she happens to be in the mood to inspire at the moment it would be appreciated.

Well by everyone but Dissident, I suppose. And he won't mind, I am sure.

	17-05-2004 20:26									#27
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quote: Originally posted by East Street Trader Would you care to attempt a translation, Sir Ralph? Please disregard if your muse is too busy having the decade off. But if she happens to be in the mood to inspire at the moment it would be appreciated. Well by everyone but Dissident, I suppose. And he won't mind, I am sure.

As long as you don't demand, that it rhymes, I can do it. It may take a while, though. Much more than to reproduce it.

	17-05-2004 20:35									#28
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@ Ralph.

You've got one fan, anyway

-Jam

	17-05-2004 20:45									#29
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Here's the exam poem.

quote: Deutschprüfung

Exams in German Literature

quote: Ich sitze hier im weiten Saal und bin zerstreut und aufgeregt. Du lieber Gott oh welche Qual und Prüfung ist mir auferlegt.

I'm sitting in the large hall
absent-minded and nervous
Dear God what pain
and exams came upon me

quote: In meinem Kopfe kreisen Worte und Sätze wie im Tollhaus 'rum. Oh ich vergeh an diesem Orte Bin ich tatsächlich denn so dumm?

In my head circulate words
and sentences like in a madhouse
I'm passing away at this place
Am I really that stupid?

quote: Doch da, ein leiser Hoffnungsschimmer er glänzt und strahlt dort in der Luft. Komm her, noch bist du nur Geflimmer und schnell in Schall und Rauch verpufft.

Lo and behold! A little ray of hope
is blinking in the air
come to me, yet you are a flickering
and quickly squibbed in sound and smoke.

quote: Ach bitte lass dich doch bequemen denn ich hab nie ein Buch gelesen (du musst es mir nicht übelnehmen dass Deutsch noch nie mein Fall gewesen).

Please, let me summon you to me
Because I have never read a book
(Don't hold it against me
that German Literature never was my soft spot)

quote: Er zögert, ich kann es nicht fassen. Hab ich umsonst gesehnt, geflucht? ich trau mich nicht es zuzulassen, dass nun der Satan mich versucht.

It's hesitating, I can't believe it
Did I crave and curse for nothing?
I don't have the heart
to let Satan tempt me

quote: Soll ich es wagen, abzuschreiben? Ich sitze da, gesunk'nen Mutes. Doch nein, ich lass es lieber bleiben, da vorn der Lehrer plant nichts Gutes.

Should I try to copy from others?
I'm sitting, discouraged
No, I better let it be
The teacher there is planning nothing good

quote: Er sieht zu mir, als würd' er denken, na warte, ich erwisch dich schon! Wie schaff ich es, ihn abzulenken? Doch ach, die Zeit rennt mir davon.

He's looking to me as if he'd be thinking
Wait, I will catch you if you try!
How can I succeed to distract him?
But my time is running away.

quote: Es ist nur noch 'ne Viertelstunde, das freilich ist zu wenig Zeit für geniale Geistesfunde (ich tu mir fast schon selber leid).

Only a quarter is left
this is not nearly enough
for a genial opus
(I'm almost sorry for myself)

quote: Ich wund're mich, dass ich noch lebe, ich schreib so schnell als wär ich toll den Aufsatz nun, ach was, ich gebe jetzt ab, ich hab die Schnauze voll.

I wonder how I'm still living
I write as fast as if I'd be mad
the essay now, but wait, I hand it
to the teacher now, I've got enough of it

The other I better don't translate... I'm afraid of the Mingster.

	17-05-2004 21:39									#30
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There once was a man from Kircuck
Who liked to help those who were stuck
A lady up a tree
He did help with glee
And was rewarded with a quick ... thankyou.