19-05-2004 06:16									#91
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http://nylon.net/poetry/teenage.htm

Crosses of gold,
And those of stone,
Do not effect the world I roam.
Those only of blood and flesh and life,
Are the ones that cause me strife.
To see the sun my life is done,
A wooden stake my life shall take.
I am immortal, yet I can die,
By the mortal hands belonging to thy.
Where he stands in all the lands a gleam within His eye,
A wooden stake my life shall take,
And then no longer am I


Not bad, eh?

C'mon, Asher, can't you figure out mine?

	19-05-2004 06:17									#92
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They are truly awful.

	19-05-2004 06:18									#93
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Here are some truly brilliant poems.

quote: Roses are Red, Violets are Blue, All of my Base are Belong to you.

quote: You double-clicked my heart You've upgraded my life You booted up my hard drive Please be my cyber-wife You've logged into my soul You've downloaded my dreams Let's go to my chat-room And I'll show you what I mean I wanna log in to you So I can prove my love is true You're the apple of my IBM, let me interface with you I wanna log in to you (Log in to you) Password incorrect My login was denied I gotta open up your motherboard Put my Pentium inside I got a 21" screen The colours'll make you dizzy My attachments are full of love for you But your modem still rings busy (Beep beep) www dot love you at me dot com You can unzip all my floppy files And spin my CD-ROM I wanna log in to you So I can prove my love is true I'm free of any virus And I've been debugged too I wanna log in to you So I can prove my love is true Come be my laptop dancer, I got lotsa RAM for you I wanna log in to you

	19-05-2004 06:20									#94
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quote: echo "I'm a tiny tiny thing" echo "Ever flying in the spring" echo "Round and round a ringaring." echo "Long ago I was a king" echo "Now I do this kind of thing. " echo "On the wing, on the wing! " echo "Bing! " echo " Joyce "

quote: I'm glad that I will never see A UNIX style of poetry The #includes that I attach Checking that my '"'s match The cryptic text of all my betters With titles formed from just two letters But run "vi", give it a bash 50 words, and then a ... /usr/games/Joyce: segmentation violation (core dumped)

	19-05-2004 06:25									#95
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Quite bad. They remind me of some of the poetry I wrote when I was just beginning. The crosses of gold in particular is weird - it reminds me of the famous political "cross of gold" speech (I will not crucify humanity on a cross of gold or something like that).

	19-05-2004 06:26									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Here are some truly brilliant poems. quote: Roses are Red, Violets are Blue, All of my Base are Belong to you. quote: You double-clicked my heart You've upgraded my life You booted up my hard drive Please be my cyber-wife You've logged into my soul You've downloaded my dreams Let's go to my chat-room And I'll show you what I mean I wanna log in to you So I can prove my love is true You're the apple of my IBM, let me interface with you I wanna log in to you (Log in to you) Password incorrect My login was denied I gotta open up your motherboard Put my Pentium inside I got a 21" screen The colours'll make you dizzy My attachments are full of love for you But your modem still rings busy (Beep beep) www dot love you at me dot com You can unzip all my floppy files And spin my CD-ROM I wanna log in to you So I can prove my love is true I'm free of any virus And I've been debugged too I wanna log in to you So I can prove my love is true Come be my laptop dancer, I got lotsa RAM for you I wanna log in to you

Most of these are utter ****!

	19-05-2004 06:26									#97
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Would you say that most of the poems in this thread are bad?

	19-05-2004 06:27									#98
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No only most of those you posted

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It's easy to be smug at the bad examples, but much harder when you look at the better poetry.

I mean anybody can code, but it's hard to write code well. Same with poetry.

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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Most of these are utter ****!

YOU CAN'T SAY THAT!

I HAVE READ "THE BROWNING BROWNCARDS OF YORE" *AND* THE BRILLIANT "SO WHAT, I LIKE BROWNIES", AND IF YOU READ ALL OF THE SHILLIAN WORKS YOU WOULD KNOW TOO. I CAN'T BELIEVE I AM WASTING MY TIME WITH THE LIKES OF *YOU*.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi It's easy to be smug at the bad examples, but much harder when you look at the better poetry. I mean anybody can code, but it's hard to write code well. Same with poetry.

It's even easy to write code well, relatively.

And I'll be the first to tell you most code is crap.

Coding very well is something very few people can do, but when they do, they get jobs with big companies. They even get to bypass the whole developer stage, and become an analyst that helps other people when they can't figure out how to do some code.

	19-05-2004 06:31									#102
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"Would you say that most of the poems in this thread are bad?"

I don't know - I haven't exactly been keeping track.

Most poems written are bad - even by major poets. The trick is revision. Professionals revise and they practice to improve their voice. Amateurs have no conception of how to change their work for the better, or more likely, refuse to see the flaws in their work.

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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 I don't know - I haven't exactly been keeping track. Most poems written are bad - even by major poets. The trick is revision. Professionals revise and they practice to improve their voice. Amateurs have no conception of how to change their work for the better, or more likely, refuse to see the flaws in their work.

Look out, Molly's gonna come a-flying and whack you with his purse.

	19-05-2004 06:33									#104
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Funny.

I thought it was always the critics and analysts who did their respective disciplines poorly.

That's why they became critics, and analysts and not poets or coders.

	19-05-2004 06:34									#105
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It's instructive to see some of the revisions made, particularly by Tennyson.

He did some huge renovations of the Lady of Shallot before he got something that worked.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Funny. I thought it was always the critics and analysts who did their respective disciplines poorly. That's why they became critics, and analysts and not poets or coders.

You don't understand the position of analysts in the coding world.

Analysts are the people that coders come to when they have problems with some code. They'll analyze the code, and tell you how to fix it.

	19-05-2004 06:36									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You don't need to assert it verbosely, anyone who can read your trite crap can hear the arrogance and condescending tones oozing out of it. Thank you for proving my point. Nonsense, I'm trolling, and you're biting back with a passion full of effeminite "little boy" references and quotes to obscure literature references as if it proves anything. Further, it's highly amusing to me, because you apparently don't get that you're doing the same thing I'm doing, while condemning what I'm doing at the same time. I wouldn't be surprised if you threw your purse at me if we were having this conversation in the real world.

Hardy har har. There's nothing inherently 'effeminate' about little boy references. Perhaps you're feeling a mite defensive there, eh, little boy?

The references aren't to 'obscure' literature, by the way- well, at least not obscure to those who have read more than 'Windows 98, Second Edition', or think that Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales' are children's literature.

You're not simply trolling, you're showing the world what a horse's arse you are, incapable of constructing an argument, without either lying outright, or constantly misrepresenting the other person's point of view.

Congratulations, you have a great future in Conservative politics.

I don't own a purse, by the way. Interesting that you should mention it though- got a secret collection of man bags, have you, or filched some of your female relatives' handbags?

	19-05-2004 06:43									#108
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quote: Congratulations, you have a great future in Conservative politics.

Eh, and here I am arguing in favour of the merits of poetry.

Politics has nothing to do with this issue Molly.

Perhaps you should stick to what you know, eh?

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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Hardy har har. There's nothing inherently 'effeminate' about little boy references. Perhaps you're feeling a mite defensive there, eh, little boy?

Oh come on, there's obviously an effeminate tone with your posts. I bet if you asked most people, they'd expect you to be some effeminate guy raving.

quote: The references aren't to 'obscure' literature, by the way- well, at least not obscure to those who have read more than 'Windows 98, Second Edition', or think that Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales' are children's literature.

They are obscure, because they're sure as hell not mainstream. You need to look at the world from a real perspective for ones. I may refer to the K&R C or The Dragon Book as things that aren't obscure, but I'm pretty sure you've no clue what they are.

quote: You're not simply trolling, you're showing the world what a horse's arse you are, incapable of constructing an argument, without either lying outright, or constantly misrepresenting the other person's point of view.

How the hell is it possible for anyone to construct an argument for or against poetry? Anyone with half a brain would know it's impossible.

Which is why it's fun to troll people who seem to take it personally, especially those that come up with the most ridiculous insults and personal shots that I've heard in a long time.

Comon, hit me with another Danny Bondaduce permutation.

quote: I don't own a purse, by the way. Interesting that you should mention it though- got a secret collection of man bags, have you, or filched some of your female relatives' handbags?

Purses aren't large enough to hold all of my 'accethorieth'.

	19-05-2004 06:45									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Eh, and here I am arguing in favour of the merits of poetry. Politics has nothing to do with this issue Molly. Perhaps you should stick to what you know, eh?

I'm pretty sure this is all he knows. I've never seen him make any posts of note, all of them revolve around weird cultural references and bad camp jokes. Usually puns of some sort...

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Eh, and here I am arguing in favour of the merits of poetry. Politics has nothing to do with this issue Molly. Perhaps you should stick to what you know, eh?

Physician, heal thyself.

	19-05-2004 06:49									#112
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quote: Physician, heal thyself.

I'm not the one deeming asher as 'unqualified.'

And if you're so clever, what part of Canterbury tales, did I pull that translation from?

Can you find the middle English original?

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Oh come on, there's obviously an effeminate tone with your posts. I bet if you asked most people, they'd expect you to be some effeminate guy raving. How the hell is it possible for anyone to construct an argument for or against poetry? Anyone with half a brain would know it's impossible.

So now it's not the references that are effeminate, it's the tone.

Brilliant- you can't even be consistent.

If anyone with a half a brain knows it's impossible to construct an argument against poetry, what are you doing in this thread- other than demonstrating you have less than half, of course?

'I'm pretty sure this is all he knows. I've never seen him make any posts of note, all of them revolve around weird cultural references and bad camp jokes. Usually puns of some sort...'

Asher

Which says perhaps more for your lack of observation and comprehension, than it does for your accuracy.

	19-05-2004 06:54									#114
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom So now it's not the references that are effeminate, it's the tone. Brilliant- you can't even be consistent.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was mutually exclusive. Please accept my deepest apologies, sire...

quote: If anyone with a half a brain knows it's impossible to construct an argument against poetry, what are you doing in this thread- other than demonstrating you have less than half, of course?

Having a lot of fun with you, obviously.

quote: Which says perhaps more for your lack of observation and comprehension, than it does for your accuracy.

See? No substance, at all.

	19-05-2004 06:57									#115
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Monolith:

As for the reference to 'Cross of gold', you have one of the best men never to become president.

William Jennings Bryan.

http://douglassarchives.org/brya_a26.htm

	19-05-2004 07:01									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I'm not the one deeming asher as 'unqualified.' And if you're so clever, what part of Canterbury tales, did I pull that translation from? Can you find the middle English original?

What part of 'The Canterbury Tales' did you pull what from? I can't read your mind.

I don't need to deem Asher as unqualified- he's done so himself. If you don't read a text, you can hardly offer a critique of it, can you?

So far he's claimed that 'most' poetry is ****.

I don't believe he's read 'most' poetry, so I don't believe he's qualified to comment on the quality of 'most' poetry.

	19-05-2004 07:03									#117
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I can't believe you're seriously making that argument.

Most of anything is crap. Most movies are crap, most poetry is crap, most code is crap. It's impossible for everyone to read "most" poetry, but it is certainly possible to gain some exposure and generalize.

The fact that you're even attempting the argument that I haven't read most poetry in the world is just awesome, and I commend you for it, but I also feel a bit of pity for you as well.

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molly:

This is the quote I'm referring to.

quote: Now, points to the one who can figure out this one. Before I leave, my lords, I warn you through my words, it would be hard to find today In all the towns, Griseldas, three or two When put to similarly strict assays You would see the gold, so poorly alloyed With brass though the coin appear so fine It would rather break than bend in time.

That's why I thought you made the reference to Canterbury Tales.

Now I just see that this was part of your flame on Asher, so forgive me for assuming some measure of wit in your posts.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Now I just see that this was part of your flame on Asher, so forgive me for assuming some measure of wit in your posts.

I will, for I would never presume to find any in yours.

Asher had earlier made a slighting reference to having read 'the Canterbury Tales' before high school, as if somehow that diminished it in quality.

You're quoting Chaucer's 'Clerke's Tale' in any case, the discussion of marriage and the person of patient or long-suffering Griselda.

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Cool.

Now, why don't we try to show Asher some of the beauty of poetry?

Wouldn't that be more effective than calling him names?