17-05-2004 23:16									#31
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yes. government-meted justice should be blind to pretty much everything.

perhaps double-blind convictions and prosecutions.

	17-05-2004 23:22									#32
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quote: Originally posted by blackice In most and all cases it is "alleged" that the man did this, easy defense since the man is dead. Again the dead can not defend themselves. Now on to how do explain the overwhelming disparity with all sentencing, in all crimes?

Again, the prosesecution does the defending of the dead. It's not like the state just rolls over and says, oh, well, you say he beat you and that's good enough for us. Have a nice day.

It is not an easy defense, since the woman has to prove that she believed she was in imminent danger. Affirmative defenses are very risky, because you are admitting to having carried out the crime, but that you were justified in doing so or incapable of understand that it was wrong.

Anyway, I'm not arguing about all crimes. I agree, women tend to get treated more easily than men. We we arguing about women who kill their spouses versus men who kill their spouses.

	17-05-2004 23:35									#33
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quote: It is not an easy defense, since the woman has to prove that she believed she was in imminent danger.

Not in Canada, Ontario, if the woman "claims" the man losses everything. It happens everyday in custody battles and domestic disputes. She can be found wrong by the judges but by then the house and kids are gone so is his bank account. In your case so was his life... I will add 1% of all women in Ontario are charged when found to be lying in court...Good reason to continue the trend. Connecting any dots yet the ben?

Now how does one prove he was not, humm her friends vs. his? You never see that I have never seen that. I have seen it played out in the media but in court? Not once take the Yates case for an example of that. Find one story where he is interviewed or defended...Nope what you read is similar to what was posted.

quote: I agree, women tend to get treated more easily than men.

I guess we are in the majority with that one, this poll was posted several times on the internet in the past. The majority said yes too. Sure is a lot of misogynists around eh, theben? Yup we are (men) top of the food chain right? I guess stuff like this just goes away in time eh? I guess people who post stuff like this are all women haters right? I guess all those who voted "Yes" above think just maybe there is a bit of gender bias not in the favor of men, what do you think... What ya think The ben is it at all possible there is more?

So Theben is posting pro men issue's really make one a misogynists? what then would that make women who post pro female issue's? One day you will have a son I am sure you do not want him labeled an abuser before he hits 5 right? or over medicated before he hits grade one because he is a male right? Those are just two examples of past post's by me which I was labeled a woman hater. I am guessing you do not remember those as your memory retention seems a bit off.

quote: We we arguing about women who kill their spouses versus men who kill their spouses.

A good thread starter, post it. My personal opinion on it. With all the women's shelters, cash and social support for abused women I see no excuse, any woman can walk away from abuse and do everyday. The need to kill the spouse is old and dated. more and more it is looked at for what it is, revenge. Killing for revenge is murder, the real question is was it premeditated, not justified...After all some men do kill thier spouses in self defence, but statistics show they too get more time in prison then thier female counter parts. back to square one...

	18-05-2004 00:30									#34
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I think it is possible in this case, that what's her name from West Virginia was coerced into doing those photos. Peer pressure can be a strong thing. Especially for women looking to fit in with the guys, and looking for guys to fit into them.

	19-05-2004 07:52									#35
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quote: or over medicated before he hits grade one because he is a male right?

Or is branded 'dyslexic' for similar reasons.

Interesting food for thought, blackice. I didn't know that the disparity in sentencing was so broad between the men and the women.

	19-05-2004 08:35									#36
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Men are expendable, which is why it is women and children first.

Is that so hard to understand?

Hey Blackice, get a uterus and I am sure you will get all the swell treatment as well!

Or actually, go to those parts of Afghanistant ruled by the Taliban, cause those harlots sure don't get coddled there.

	19-05-2004 11:38									#37
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Heterosexuality is obsolete.

	19-05-2004 11:39									#38
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it is obsolete, but it is oh, so fun.

	19-05-2004 14:35									#39
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Theben fluff? Now your ignorance is shinning, it only took a few posts, congrats.

I have to agree with Theben. The items you linked do not provide any links to primary sources themselves, making them at best assertions.

	19-05-2004 16:02									#40
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I still remember a time not to long ago (1988) where the Chicago PD would arrest a battered women for attacking her man's fists with her face.

Yea, but the b!tch wouldn't vote for Dailey!

	19-05-2004 16:19									#41
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I would assume the police officers involved were just getting her away from the husband since they probably couldn't do anything about him. I believe the term is "Protective Custody".

	19-05-2004 18:05									#42
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i'm shocked...




by the fact that che and thebn have not seen that video

	19-05-2004 18:43									#43
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GePap Men

quote: are expendable, which is why it is women and children first.

Women do, children? Not with the current custody laws children come last in anyone's books.

quote: Is that so hard to understand?

Yes

quote: Hey Blackice, get a uterus and I am sure you will get all the swell treatment as well!

Yes this was said to me when applying the the Child tax credit here in Canada. I taped what the woman said to me on the phone. I quote "When men can have babies then you can apply for the benefit" unquote. The woman was fired... Understand the benefit is to go to any primary caregiver of a child. Man or woman...After all the benefit is for the children not the parent. GePap this only served to cause grief and hardship for children with fathers as thier primary caregivers. It still exsist's in the income tax laws here that the stay at home father has to privde a letter from the mother of the same child that in fact he is a stay at home father. Only then will they put the CCTB in his name. So while it is a cute remark you made it simply reinforces the fact that the child comes last while in the care of their father...Children first...only when accompanied by the mother...

quote: Or actually, go to those parts of Afghanistant ruled by the Taliban, cause those harlots sure don't get coddled there.

I fail to see the comparison between Canada, the USA, Briton and Afghanistan? Are you saying we should be more like them? or is it that because in another country like that should dictate how we should treat men and children here?

Ben Kenobi

quote: Or is branded 'dyslexic' for similar reasons.

I did not know that?

quote: I didn't know that the disparity in sentencing was so broad between the men and the women.

I did not either until it came to my attention, the question is why? Seems do the crime do the time has a gender clause.

	19-05-2004 18:54									#44
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quote: any woman can walk away from abuse and do everyday

Oy... ever talk to abused women, blackie? And you wonder why people call you a mysogynist?

	19-05-2004 19:22									#45
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Who was talking about custody laws? You all the time, but not I. Again, in any disaster, its women and children first, cause biologically, women are more important.

	19-05-2004 19:35									#46
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Yes, equal treatment...

	19-05-2004 20:47									#47
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Imran Siddiqui the big assuption to make another lame point, something you excell at... look facts are most abuse is equal that is to say studies show it is mutual abuse. Woman have the means to get out if they choose to more so today than in any other time in history. Not all do not all can for one reason or another but let's face it in today's day and age the majority can if they choose to. To answer your question though yes many and helped a few get away, strangers and friends you? I may add I have helped a few men get away too you? Ever talked with an abused man Imran? For me it is hard to tell which one was worse off, no it is easy both but each has it's own society difference.

Ever had to go to the police station with a friend (male) to report abuse by thier wife? Then find them and thiers kids a place to stay (safe, no funding or shelters for men)? Ever watched as the courts took the children away from the father and put them back with the abusive mother? Only to watch the mother go to jail no less then 7 times for child abuse after? Ever watched as the kids cry for thier dad but the child services refused to allow them to go back with thier dad because the abusive mother alledged he pull one of the children's ear once? Watch the kids and the father suffer because of the environment today? Kids to foster home instead of with their father then mom gets out of jail and they send them back to her? and protect the mother while she abuses again? With your attitude I doubt you even care...After all I am refering to a man...

Ever reported abuse by your spouse on you and the children only to have your kids taken away for reporting the abuse? You need to see the whole picture not half. Abuse is abuse it should not be tolerated at all by anyone. If you know someone in that situation help them out of it.

GePap I simply gave you an example to show your blanket assuption is nothing more than that.
Who was talking about a disaster? Let's go on with your point though, you are making an assumption women can not take care of themselves in a disaster? Very degrading, How many professional women helped in 9/11, how many women bystanders helped men out in that disaster lot's, as far as kids go well of course. Biologically humm ok women are important but they do not have children on their own, nor is it in the best interest of children not to have a male in their lives. No I disagree we are equally as important to the food chain...

It would be interesting to see the point of view from the posters that voted no in the poll.

	19-05-2004 20:50									#48
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We men should teach women a lesson in pain for being so evil, right Blackice?

	19-05-2004 20:54									#49
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i dont understand why you all would even make jokes about this sort of thing...i mean...damn...the only reason i life is the other sex...and well i would ever do anything to make them sad or hurt them...so stop making jokes ...

	19-05-2004 20:55									#50
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I'm just giving a backhanded compliment to those "women".

	19-05-2004 21:03									#51
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DeathByTheSword well said, Comrade Tassadar seems to have difficulty dealing with the whole concept of equality, interesting because most do not male or female...

No Comrade Tassadar we need awareness, understanding, simpathy and justice equal to all.

	19-05-2004 21:05									#52
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oh no but wait.....women are not equel to us they are like way above us....nah now i am just pissing around...but it is difficult to treat men and women the same because to are so different in them selves and in this world we live in nowadays

	19-05-2004 21:06									#53
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quote: Originally posted by blackice I fail to see the comparison between Canada, the USA, Briton and Afghanistan?

I fail to see the connection between Canada and the United States other than a shared market and language. The things you keep btiching about haven't happened here. We're still the mirror opposite. I suspect that's why we disagree so much, because you act as if what's going on in Canada is the same south of the border. It ain't. We treat women like **** here.

	19-05-2004 21:10									#54
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Whatever blackice.

I just think that the scourage of "women" cannot be allowed to continue to oppress the male population. We must rise up...peaceful means do not work, so we must use military force.
All these stories of so-called "abuse" that come from these "women"...Lies, meant to cover up their evil plot to destroy all of mankind! The men that are arrested for "abusing" these so-called "women" are truely revolutionary fighters in the struggle for equality for all men!

	19-05-2004 21:12									#55
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so they are bloody commies?...lets round up all women and ship them back to russia....oh now wait...lest round up all women and send them to the Netherlands the new workers paradise

	19-05-2004 21:16									#56
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No!
We will send the so-called "women" to two types of camps: Worker camps and procreation camps.
We will gather male volunteers for either camp, in order to guard and...assist the women in accomplishing their goals for the mother state

	19-05-2004 21:17									#57
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DeathByTheSword the basis for the problem.

chegitz guevara wrong again, well maybe in your circle. Try joining a womans group or a men's group, the connections and problems are very similar. Most of these groups are involved in all the aforementioned countries. Amazing the internet today, the imformation transfer is quite astounding...

I get emails and news releases from all those countries, from women and men's groups. I can safely say you do not have a clue, we here send emails to your countries representitives as do groups from your country send to ours. We all support one and other world wide. For the most part about the same issue's... Get involved have a look for yourself...

Comrade Tassadar equality is all for both genders, simple concept right? Give it time you'll catch on, maybe...

	19-05-2004 21:21									#59
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Comrade Tassadar equality is all for both genders, simple concept right? Give it time you'll catch on, maybe...

Come on blackice...You of all people should know the oppression that men suffer each day.
Children being torn from the arms of men crying out from the oppression, women recieving *no* punishment for even murder....This society is completly dominated by women at the expense of men. You have taught me this.

Let us rise up and revivify the male race!!!!

	19-05-2004 21:22									#60
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quote: Originally posted by blackice chegitz guevara wrong again, well maybe in your circle.

I think I know my country a little better than you.