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The Emperor Fabulous is offline The Emperor Fabulous
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I can't believe there isn't a thread on this yet...

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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - Gay couples began exchanging marriage vows in Massachusetts on Monday, marking the first time a state has granted gays and lesbians the right to marry and making the United States one of at least four countries where homosexuals can legally wed.

Tanya McCloskey, 52, and Marcia Kadish, 56, of Malden went at a breakneck pace to fill out paperwork, get a waiver from the three-day waiting period, then return to city hall _ where they got their marriage license and exchanged vows.

At 9:15 a.m., Cambridge City Clerk Margaret Drury told the couple: "I now pronounce you married under the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts."

It was among the first _ if not the first _ same-sex weddings taking place throughout the state on Monday, the day that same-sex couples could wed under a court order.

"It was really important to us to just be married. We want to be married as soon as we possibly can. Part of it is, we don't know what the Legislature is going to do," McCloskey said.

In Boston, David Wilson and Robert Compton became the first of the seven couples who sued the state to be married. At the Arlington Street Church, Wilson and Compton exchanged vows under a rainbow flag and to the strains of the Boston Gay Men's Chorus singing "Marry Us." An excerpt from the landmark Supreme Judicial Court decision that legalized gay marriage was read as an invocation at the Unitarian Universalist church.

They were pronounced "partners for life" at the end of the ceremony.

The six other plaintiff couples planned to marry later Monday.

There were scattered protests amid a largely festive atmosphere.

About 15 protesters, most from Topeka, Kan.-based Westboro Baptist Church, stood near Cambridge City Hall carrying signs with anti-gay slogans Sunday night. The group, led by the Rev. Fred Phelps Sr., travels around the country protesting homosexuality.

But Ray McNulty, a spokesman for the Massachusetts Family Institute, one of the leading organizers of opposition to same-sex marriage, criticized some of the protesters, saying there was no need for hateful speech.

"What's going on down there is legal, and as far as I'm concerned, give those people their happiness for the day," McNulty said.

Massachusetts was thrust into the center of a nationwide debate on gay marriage when the state's Supreme Judicial Court ruled 4-3 in November that gays and lesbians had a right under the state constitution to wed.

In the days leading to Monday's deadline for same-sex weddings to begin, opponents looked to the federal courts for help in overturning the ruling. On Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to intervene.

The SJC's ruling also galvanized opponents of gay marriage in Massachusetts, prompting lawmakers in this heavily Democratic, Roman Catholic state to adopt a state constitutional amendment that would ban same-sex marriage but legalize Vermont-style civil unions. The earliest it could wind up on the ballot is 2006 _ possibly casting a shadow on the legality of gay marriages taking place in the intervening years.

The city of Cambridge, a liberal bastion that's home to Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, opened its doors to couples at midnight, and remained open until about 4:30 a.m. Monday.

The first couple to receive marriage paperwork was Marcia Hams, 56, and her partner, Susan Shepherd, 52, of Cambridge. After 27 years together, they sat at a table across from a city official shortly after midnight, filling out forms as their adult son looked on.

"I feel really overwhelmed," Hams said. "I could collapse at this point."

Out-of-state gay couples are likely to challenge Massachusetts' 1913 marriage statute, which bars nonresident couples from marrying in Massachusetts if the union would be illegal in their home state. Republican Gov. Mitt Romney, who opposes gay marriage, has said that clerks who give licenses to nonresidents may face legal implications.

"All along, I have said an issue as fundamental to society as the definition of marriage should be decided by the people," he said Monday. "Until then, I intend to follow the law and expect others to do the same."

Still, officials in Provincetown, Worcester and Somerville, have said they will not enforce Romney's order and will give licenses to any couples who ask, as long as they sign the customary affidavit attesting that they know of no impediment to their marriage.

Sure enough, Chris McCary, 43, and his partner of six years, John Sullivan, 37, of Anniston, Ala., were first in line outside town hall in Provincetown on Monday morning.

"This is the most important day of my life," said McCary.

The SJC's ruling touched off a frenzy of gay marriages across the country earlier this year. Even though courts ordered a halt to the wedding march, opponents pushed for a federal constitutional ban on gay marriage, which President Bush has endorsed.

Both sides in the debate say the issue may figure prominently in the November elections across the country.

Candidates for Congress could face pressure to explain their position on the proposed federal constitutional ban, and voters in several states will consider similar amendments to their state constitutions.

In Massachusetts, married couples are entitled to hundreds of rights under state law. But federal rights are not available to gay married couples because federal law defines marriage as between a man and a woman.

The Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and Canada's three most populous provinces are among the only places in the world where gays can marry.


Hurray! My state rules! Go social progression!

On a side note, Bush has no right to speak out against Segregation and inequality today. He wants to write discrimination into our Constitution. I'm watching him right now...he called racist policies "codified discrimination" and said it was wrong...what a douchebag.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!!

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This is really one of the best pieces of news for me in a long time.

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Out-of-state gay couples are likely to challenge Massachusetts' 1913 marriage statute, which bars nonresident couples from marrying in Massachusetts if the union would be illegal in their home state.
On what basis?

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An auspicious day, the fiftieth anniversary of Brown v Board of Education. I think today should be christened Freedom Day!

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Out-of-state gay couples are likely to challenge Massachusetts' 1913 marriage statute, which bars nonresident couples from marrying in Massachusetts if the union would be illegal in their home state.
On what basis?


To what extent can a law be used to achieve unjustifiable ends??

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An auspicious day, the fiftieth anniversary of Brown v Board of Education. I think today should be christened Freedom Day!



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The Americans finally start to catch up with the civil rights and liberties of Europe [/troll]

-Jam

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To what extent can a law be used to achieve unjustifiable ends??
Sorry that really isn't a legal arguement though you could try to fit it under substantive due process, I guess. Lord knows that's already a coat hanger used to prop up every crap legal arguement known to the American legal system.

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Like I said, Bush shouldn't be allowed to speak. It's Freedom Day!

Jam: Oh, like the banning of religious headwear in French schools?

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The Americans finally start to catch up with the civil rights and liberties of Europe


[feeding the troll]Yup, next thing we need to do is get those Jewish boys from wearing those little hats[/feeding the troll]

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damn x-post

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[troll still hungry]How about ending segeration?[/troll]

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I can't believe there isn't a thread on this yet...

I was thinking the same thing! Perhaps we're all so tired of debating the issue that we are celebrating quietly. I know I certainly wore a wide and satisfied grin when I read the news.

It's a great day in our nation's history!

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How about ending segeration?




now that's just crazy talk

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The only thing that would make it any greater is to find out that "Reverend" Fred Phelps has comitted suicide, jumping off his church and accidentally landing ass-first on a cross.

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Its certainly good news anyway [/troll off]

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Sorry that really isn't a legal arguement though you could try to fit it under substantive due process, I guess. Lord knows that's already a coat hanger used to prop up every crap legal arguement known to the American legal system.



Of course -- to question the justice behind questionable laws must mean that such people OBVIOUSLY do not know what they're talking about.



Never question the validity of any laws -- just goosestep with the rest of the herd, and you'll do just fine.

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To what extent can a law be used to achieve unjustifiable ends??

To whatever extent the legal system feels like.

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MTG closed the other thread when I wanted to reply to PA's bigoted remark that gays need to keep their mouths shut about themselves.


Gays who want to be included in mainstream society want to be honest about their sexual orientation, and be open about it in the same ways that straight people do. We refuse to repress ourselves and hide in the closet anymore.

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Of course -- to question the justice behind questionable laws must mean that such people OBVIOUSLY do not know what they're talking about.
You haven't given me anything resembling a legal arguement, so what am I supossed to think?

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I'm not a legal junkie DD but remember when Martin Luther King Jr. protested unjust laws, even though segregation laws were technically the legal law?

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Russia should pass a law requiring that America hand over its territory.
I mean, if its a law then it *must* be just!

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Sorry that really isn't a legal arguement though you could try to fit it under substantive due process, I guess. Lord knows that's already a coat hanger used to prop up every crap legal arguement known to the American legal system.


Crappy legal arguments are perfectly apt our crappy laws.

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Crappy legal arguments are perfectly apt our crappy laws.
Perhaps. However, I'd prefer something other than judicial fiat.

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BTW, why has no one seen fit to answer what I had hoped was a simple, non-confrontational question?

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But then I fail to see how committed love between two people regardless of sexual orientation threatens marriage . . . .

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BTW, why has no one seen fit to answer what I had hoped was a simple, non-confrontational question?


My answer using MLK as an example was confrontational?

 
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