18-05-2004 01:02									#1
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A Michael Moore production.

Whilst I was rather skeptical of Bowling for Columbine, it appears that this film (anti-Bush, anti-Republican, anti-everthing Bush has touched) is going to touch a few nerves with unseen images of Bush reading a childrens book on 9/11, more photos from Abu Ghraib, and conspiracies between Bin Laden and Bush.

Trouble is, nobody wants to distribute it for him

I think it'll be a pile of crap, myself...

	18-05-2004 01:07									#3
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Moore has every right to make whatever movie he wants but movie companies have every right to decide what movies they want to distribute. They are in no obligation to distribute his movie.

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quote: Originally posted by Frozzy Trouble is, nobody wants to distribute it for him

Actually, the trouble is simply that Disney doesn't want to distribute it for him. Simply because showing any hint of anti-administration rhetoric is seen as "overstepping the bounds" or "taking sides", while they will never the less gleefully release any right-leaning production at the drop of a hat.

	18-05-2004 01:08									#5
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quote: Actually, the trouble is simply that Disney doesn't want to distribute it for him. Simply because showing any hint of anti-administration rhetoric is seen as "overstepping the bounds" or "taking sides", while they will never the less gleefully release any right-leaning production at the drop of a hat.

Someone released a right-wing movie in the last decade?

	18-05-2004 01:09									#6
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Moore has every right to make whatever movie he wants but movie companies have every right to decide what movies they want to distribute. They are in no obligation to distribute his movie.

True, but what kind of a situation do we have when the reason a corporation makes a free-market decision is not profit motive (this film will make coin), but fear of the administration?

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I heard the white house said Mel Gibson would not get any white house visits if a company he has a lot of control over released this movie.

Anyways, Moore has vowed to release this movie before the election.

I kind of hope he can do it. Although I think he's a big, fat, idiot.

	18-05-2004 01:11									#8
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quote: True, but what kind of a situation do we have when the reason a corporation makes a free-market decision is not profit motive (this film will make coin), but fear of the administration?

So is that the reason they refused to release 'The Passion'

Get real, it's Disney! They don't want to rock the boat from any side!

	18-05-2004 01:12									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Actually, the trouble is simply that Disney doesn't want to distribute it for him. Simply because showing any hint of anti-administration rhetoric is seen as "overstepping the bounds" or "taking sides", while they will never the less gleefully release any right-leaning production at the drop of a hat. Someone released a right-wing movie in the last decade?

	18-05-2004 01:14									#10
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Imran: Then why the hell did they buy Miramax?

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In our newspaper today they did a story about the fact that people in Bush's administration are trying to quash the movie saying that they believe it will harm him in the upcoming race.

	18-05-2004 01:17									#12
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A movie staring Kirk Cameron! When is that coming out anyway?

1 right wing movie... 5000 left wing ones (such as the Life of David Gale)... we need more to balance it out .

quote: Imran: Then why the hell did they buy Miramax?

Why do you think? Money.

	18-05-2004 01:18									#13
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The movie with the oil executives saving the earth from the asteroid strike(and abusing green peace people) with Bruce Willis may qualify as right wing propaganda.

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no that just qualifies as a bad movie.

	18-05-2004 01:24									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha The movie with the oil executives saving the earth from the asteroid strike(and abusing green peace people) with Bruce Willis may qualify as right wing propaganda.

Wow!! I hadn't realized Bruce Willis and company were oil execs. Man talk about hands on executives. Seems like we could use more of them.

What next Donald Trump the bathroom attendant, Bill Gates the PC repairman, Lee Iacocca the auto repair guy?

	18-05-2004 01:31									#16
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Armaggedon,
It was a great movie, especially the part where Willis was launching golf balls into the Green peace oil leaking boat. I suppose, "We Were Soldiers", "Black Hawk Down" and "Top Gun" are all right wing movies.

	18-05-2004 01:32									#17
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Diss, what does a picture of Jabba the Hutt have to do with the thread?

cinch, does a straight-to-video production starring Kirk Cameron really qualify as a movie?

	18-05-2004 01:39									#18
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Buying Miramax, the company partially responsible for movies like "Pulp Fiction" certainly would rock the boat, but it makes them money. Wouldn't this movie do the same thing?

	18-05-2004 01:41									#19
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Defiant: The point that was being made is they were Oil Rig Workers...not Oil "Executives"

You're not gonna see Cheney on a rig unless he's taking a professional tour.

EDIT: I've thought for a while that movie was right-wing propaganda...I mean, the only place that any part of the asteroid destroys is Paris.

	18-05-2004 01:44									#20
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Wouldn't this movie do the same thing?

They sold Dogma to another studio. Why on earth would anybody think that a movie likely to be as contraversial but make less money get different treatment?

	18-05-2004 01:45									#21
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quote: Buying Miramax, the company partially responsible for movies like "Pulp Fiction" certainly would rock the boat, but it makes them money. Wouldn't this movie do the same thing?

Pulp Fiction really doesn't rock the boat. It didn't cause any outrage from conservatives or liberals.

	18-05-2004 01:46									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I heard the white house said Mel Gibson would not get any white house visits if a company he has a lot of control over released this movie. Anyways, Moore has vowed to release this movie before the election. I kind of hope he can do it. Although I think he's a big, fat, idiot.

Mel Gibson's production company, Icon productions, was in the running among the original production companies who wanted to produce this movie. Gibson bowed out saying that the controversy he was going to go through with POTC was enough for a single year. Also, since 90% of you view Gibson as a right-wing whack job, it kind of follows that he won't wait for a call from the White House to decide that he does not want to be involved with F-911.

The film was picked up (not "saved" as MM says) by Miramax who is co-producing it with MM's production company Dog-Eat-Dog films. Miramax is a much larger fish than Icon productions, so it's not as if Moore had to struggle to find somebody, anybody who will help him make his widdle movie.

	18-05-2004 01:47									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Someone released a right-wing movie in the last decade?

Sure. Didn't you see "Forrest Gump"?

	18-05-2004 01:50									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Wow!! I hadn't realized Bruce Willis and company were oil execs. Man talk about hands on executives. Seems like we could use more of them.

Bruce owned the rig. Hell, even Ben Affleck could quit his job and within a week start his own fully operational deep sea rig. They were all capitalists.

	18-05-2004 01:50									#25
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Defiant: The point that was being made is they were Oil Rig Workers...not Oil "Executives" You're not gonna see Cheney on a rig unless he's taking a professional tour. EDIT: I've thought for a while that movie was right-wing propaganda...I mean, the only place that any part of the asteroid destroys is Paris.

Yea, true although Willis is the owner of the rig so technically he is an exec, but a working exec. Parts of the asteroid hit New York, but it did annihilate Paris.

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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi cinch, does a straight-to-video production starring Kirk Cameron really qualify as a movie?

Actually, Left Behind was originally released as a video and then released theatrically. I'm pretty sure that's the first time a video-to-movie crossover happened, though TV-to-movie crossovers have happened before (Testament, a PBS made-for-TV movie in 1982, plus one of the mid-90's Jane Austin flicks done by PBS or the BBC.)

	18-05-2004 01:56									#27
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Pulp Fiction did rock the boat, as did Dogma, Kill Bill, Kids, and many of the earlier Miramax films. However...they didn't insult the administration. That's the only boat Disney doesn't rock.

	18-05-2004 01:57									#28
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quote: Originally posted by cinch True, but what kind of a situation do we have when the reason a corporation makes a free-market decision is not profit motive (this film will make coin), but fear of the administration?

Come on! What fear of the administration?

The issue is not fear of Bush, but fear of ordinary americans. Disney is afraid of pissing off the millions of Americans who are pro-bush and who would get angry at Moore's piece of crap.

	18-05-2004 02:04									#29
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous ... as did Dogma, ...

They sold Dogma to another studio. Why on earth would anybody think that a movie likely to be as contraversial but make less money get different treatment?

	18-05-2004 02:06									#30
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The same people they were afraid of when they celebrated Gay Days at their parks in spite of a threatened fundi boycott of Disney?