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Ramo is offline Ramo
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The US couldn't afford to veto atm given its problems in Iraq.

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The US couldn't afford to veto atm given its problems in Iraq.


This was my thoughts as well.

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I think it has more to do with it then Iraq

The US has undergone a crash course in world politics over the last month

Also a moral examination of ourselves and the way we do things

This abstain vote coincides with that

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If the United States starts to back the Arabs or stops backing the Israelis, I suspect a war coming soon

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We don't need to be melodramatic, Nuclear.

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We don't need to be melodramatic, Nuclear.



Well, sometimes it's fun to be

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Originally posted by Jamski
I mean, I'm not anti-american, but when the rest of the security council condemn Israel, why is it always the US that stands alone? For God's sake, they're killing civillians every day there.

I don't know what my point is, I'm just generally low-grade angry.

-Jam


Because the rest of the world is retarded?

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But he still backed Israel when push came to shove.


Because he wasn't stupid enough to think that some glorious Palestinian state would be superior to Israel.

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Perhaps that is what he meant by disappear?


No. It was a troll.
But that *is* a good point.

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I think it has more to do with it then Iraq

The US has undergone a crash course in world politics over the last month

Also a moral examination of ourselves and the way we do things

This abstain vote coincides with that



Moral examination? That's a good one.

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Does anyone have the text of the resolution? I understand that there are several very interesting phrases in there -- which are likely to leave Jamski and certain others...depressed.

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You can still support Israel overall and condemn it for using tanks on demonstrators

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Bush doesn't have an Israel policy other than bend over and let Sharon do the business.

Anyway, the Americans were busy dropping a hundred bombs on some Iraqis wedding to worry too much about this.

Ming - the Israeli economy would collapse without US support. They couldn't afford the mililtary and would be embargoed within a week.

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So only the damn yanks are against this practically unilateral resolution, and even then they had to be placated to stop them using their veto.

Bastards.

-Jam


I support Israel's actions.

Although they know the risk. They are just creating more terrorists. But it's their decision to make.

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Bush doesn't have an Israel policy other than bend over and let Sharon do the business.

Anyway, the Americans were busy dropping a hundred bombs on some Iraqis wedding to worry too much about this.

Ming - the Israeli economy would collapse without US support. They couldn't afford the mililtary and would be embargoed within a week.


we did not bomb a wedding.

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But abstaining is refusing to condemn Israel's wanton murder of civillians, day in, day out.

Until that accusation has some proof behind it, you rely upon the PA for sources for the amount of killed and injured who are simply famous for their accuracy for, among other things, the number of civilians killed (sorry, "massacred") by Israeli soldiers.

Otherwise what your complaint amounts to is "people are being killed in war! Shock!"

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Didn't you read this morning's news?

I'm betting the Iraqis are right. It's an Arabic custom to fire weapons at weddings and no doubt some numbnuts thought this was ground fire.

The same thing happened in Afghanistan when some Canadians were conducting an exercise. Some trigger happy idiot parked a few bombs on them without looking first. US troops are notorious for irresponsible weapon release. Remember that airliner full of Iranians they smoked some years back?

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well then they shouldn't fire weapons at weddings then, should they?

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Are there any enforcement provisions?

Normally the US agrees to UNSCR's when there are no enforcement provisions, so Israel can ignore it.(that is when thhey don't veto them)

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I wouldn't let any arab with a weapon any where near my wedding

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well then they shouldn't fire weapons at weddings then, should they?


Well, if you are going to see it that way, I reckon that aircraft should fly constant patrols over the US and cluster bomb any small arms fire they see. That should get rid of the NRA criminals and rappers for a start.

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Anyway, the Americans were busy dropping a hundred bombs on some Iraqis wedding to worry too much about this.


Well, by doing so they will not need to fight the next generation of "terrorists" in that area

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I suppose you're right CI.

You have to laugh though. 5 minutes before half time the score in the occupation match is Iraqis 52 - America 0.

But 51 of those were own goals.

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We don't need to be melodramatic, Nuclear.


I thought you were gay.

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Bush doesn't have an Israel policy other than bend over and let Sharon do the business.

Anyway, the Americans were busy dropping a hundred bombs on some Iraqis wedding to worry too much about this.

Ming - the Israeli economy would collapse without US support. They couldn't afford the mililtary and would be embargoed within a week.


I doubt the U.S. has dropped 100 bombs in Iraq this month, much less in this one instance. This incident needs to be seriously sorted out before we jump to conclusions. Comparing the statements to one another in the NYT article alone shows that someone is lying. For starters the guy who claimed that 100 bombs were dropped on him.

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The same thing happened in Afghanistan when some Canadians were conducting an exercise. Some trigger happy idiot parked a few bombs on them without looking first. US troops are notorious for irresponsible weapon release.


The US also bombed a wedding in Afghanistan.

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Pentagon says it attacked fighters -- not wedding

Witnesses say Iraqi wedding attacked near Syria


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Pentagon officials Wednesday denied alleged eyewitness reports of a U.S. attack on a wedding party in a remote area of western Iraq that killed innocent civilians.

"Our report is that this was not a wedding party, that these were anti-coalition forces that fired first, and that U.S. troops returned fire, destroying several vehicles, and killing a number of them," a Pentagon spokesman said.

He was responding to a video distributed by The Associated Press showing Iraqi witnesses who said that at least 20 people were killed and five others critically wounded early Wednesday when planes fired on a wedding celebration.

A man on the video said all homes in the village near the Syrian border were destroyed in the attack at about 3 a.m. local time Wednesday.

The video showed at least a dozen bodies, including small children, wrapped in blankets for burial as they were unloaded from a truck.

Men with picks and shovels were digging a series of graves in the video.

A senior military coalition official said as many as 40 people were killed in the attack, but said it was his belief that the attack was against a foreign fighters' safe house.

A coalition official said in a written statement that coalition forces conducted a military operation "against a suspected foreign fighter's safe house in the open desert, 85 km southwest of Husaybah, and 25 km from the Syrian border.

"During the operation, coalition forces came under hostile fire and close air support was provided.

"Coalition forces on the ground recovered numerous weapons, 2 million Iraqi and Syrian dinar, foreign passports and a satcom radio," the statement said.

Asked if the incident was the same one described on videotape, he said, "Yes, it is the same incident."

He added, "We had actionable intelligence to go after a foreign fighters' safe house. It is not our belief that there was a wedding party in the open desert."

The taped witnesses identified the village as al Qa'im, which maps show is on the Iraqi side of the Syrian border, along the Euphrates River.

In Afghanistan two years ago, U.S. airstrikes killed dozens of civilians at a wedding party.

After an investigation, a report issued by U.S. Central Command blamed those deaths on hostile anti-aircraft fire from the ground that provoked a U.S. AC-130 gunship to respond.

Local Afghans said that U.S. forces confused "celebratory fire" from wedding participants for hostile fire, but the U.S. military found that several compounds in the area were "positively identified" as sources of anti-aircraft artillery fire.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast...main/index.html

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Well, if you are going to see it that way, I reckon that aircraft should fly constant patrols over the US and cluster bomb any small arms fire they see. That should get rid of the NRA criminals and rappers for a start.


Except that we aren't trying to pacify the US. Stop being an idiot.

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The US also bombed a wedding in Afghanistan.


And what exactly should our pilots do when they have gunshots coming towards them?

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How about not blow the *** out of them if they're not actually a threat?

Our Israeli friends and their supporters are always going on about it's "intent" that matters. If you kill someone when you didn't mean to... it's not a huge deal. If this is the case, if an Arab wedding party accidentally brought down aircraft, then there should be zero problem. It's collateral damage isn't it?

 
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