20-05-2004 21:30									#1
	idea pertaining to newbs and games (Mafia) Support Apolyton

It was suggested that newbs make their own "version" of mafia to play in. I think this is a good idea seeing as how alot of newbs (apparently) have tried to join the games and the usuall suspects are hesitant to allow settlers to play (ex. me get the boot ) . Anyway, the only problem I see with that is I know I would make a crappy gm and I am sure most newbs will. Question is, do any of the regulars have time to gm a newb game, or to teach a newb to gm???? Just a thought.

	20-05-2004 21:33									#2
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I suggested a spin-off (equally accessible to anyone) just a minute ago.

I wouldn't mind hosting a game, if there's enough interest, but I couldn't host it until next Tuesday.
However, in the meantime, we could discuss the setup of such a spin-off.

	20-05-2004 21:34									#3
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I like it. It will eliminate the fear that the regulars on Mafia seem to have about people not playing actively and it will give all the newb's a chance to play.

	20-05-2004 21:36									#4
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The standing rules of Mafia itself are very sound (minus the piling I guess ), therefore making it hard to really create a true "spinoff" in terms of making it diffrent and still giving us settlers some experience. Ideas are welcome though. I do appreciate the offer to host zop and I guess if I ever grow some creativity I could try to gm for the settler games.

Edit: of course playing with the pros and haveing a quick gruesome death is always fun too. Seeing as how I am a settler, i guess all I can do is leave it up to you all.

	20-05-2004 21:41									#5
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this would be great for all of us... not even the newbs. I know I often miss the signup and you'd certainly need more than just the newbs to fill up slots.

Just make sure people who are in the other Mafia game can't jump in to this one as well, eh?

	20-05-2004 21:44									#6
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Yes, that should be an obvious rule

A second game can help balance the load as well. The current 28-man game we have is quite big.

I do propose to not call it Mafia, but to go with something like "Gangsters" just to make a distinction.

	20-05-2004 21:44									#7
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How about having one game where priority is given to those with the fewest posts, and another where the priority is reversed...

Probably too much bother.

	20-05-2004 21:44									#8
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Well, if we coordinated the starting times, the ones in the "pro" game could check the settler game list so as not to have duel players. I would also like to note that I am wondering about other games like nuclear war and maybe gladiator (haven't had time to catch up on how gladiator works yet though). I 'd like to match my wits and weapons against some ususpecting cities.

Edit: load balance is a good idea too. Don't know how well mafia would work with 45 players......probably take forever and need like 8 mafioso

	20-05-2004 21:50									#9
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The problem with this idea, is that you may not have many newbies venture in this deep. Of course this can be a mini version with one mafia and something like 12 people. But it is likely this game will be shorter in average compare to the other one. And if you want to time them together that means some waiting period between the games.

	20-05-2004 21:53									#10
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Good point. Question: how many people missed and/or were rejected from the current game? this could give a little more accuret reading if another game is needed. Then again there is always first come/first serve which is undoubtedly easier.

	20-05-2004 21:54									#11
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Maybe it could work with half the people and a more relaxed turn structure, such as 48 hours voting each round or what have you.

Regarding other games we have here (Nuclear War or Gladiator, for instance) generally we can use all the players we can get. NW should be over after another three rounds, so expect to see the signup for that shortly. IOW feel free to join.

Last edited by Skanky Burns on 20-05-2004 at 22:00

	20-05-2004 21:54									#12
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well, the whole point of this is so that newb's can get some experience in the game so that the higher level guys will let us play. It doesn't matter if it's shorter than average.

	20-05-2004 21:56									#13
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu The problem with this idea, is that you may not have many newbies venture in this deep. Of course this can be a mini version with one mafia and something like 12 people. But it is likely this game will be shorter in average compare to the other one. And if you want to time them together that means some waiting period between the games.

Here's where load-balancing could come in handy. We can reduce the player pool for Mafia from 28 to 20-24 and direct those slots to "Gangsters" making them more equal and more manageable.

	20-05-2004 22:02									#14
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Ok, Current ideas;

1. First come/First serve (excluding settlers)

2. First come/First serve all welcome

3. Dual games (only problem is short, will run through alot of ideas fast, you might not get to kill your favorite target)

	20-05-2004 22:06									#15
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There is FlameFlash, alva, Spiffor, Vlad, Vovan, Drogue, Frozzy... Reducing the current game to 20 frees up another 8 warm bodies for the 2nd game.

This could probably work, methinks.

	20-05-2004 22:12									#16
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Maybe in the new game the mafia can change killing styles (only one mafia any way) but he has to leave some kind of a clue, like a card with an arrow in a heart or something as his signature.

	20-05-2004 22:15									#17
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that would be a good way to differentiate it from mafia

	20-05-2004 22:29									#18
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Ok, guess it's time to end this. How about everyone digest the options and near the end of the current game a possible decision can be made.

Edit: Alright, Cheiftan type person thing........ uhhh..... yeah.

	20-05-2004 22:40									#19
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As I have suggested before, you can use the same story for 2 games, maybe a couple of small changes would be needed but not many.

	20-05-2004 22:41									#20
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By that time both Trokair and Anita may not be newbies any more and I wonder if we will be able find any more newbies.

	20-05-2004 22:43									#21
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It doesn't have to be strictly newbies, as it will be a rather dull game with only two players. The game can be used to soak up excess players from the other one, so that everyone who wants to play the games can in one or the other.

	20-05-2004 22:51									#22
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9999 posts huh?

	20-05-2004 23:01									#23
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Its about bloody time, eh?

Well, since I will be running another Mafia game some time in the future, I will be doing my normal rules. First come, first served, and t'devil take the hindmost.

-Jam

	20-05-2004 23:38									#24
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I think that having two games at the same time would be better for everyone. It sounds like the game is getting too crowded and people who want to play aren't getting the chance to. This will give everyone a better chance of getting into the game.

	21-05-2004 00:10									#25
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu By that time both Trokair and Anita may not be newbies any more and I wonder if we will be able find any more newbies.

At the going rate, we'll have a new player everyday.

	21-05-2004 00:15									#26
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Either that, or allow people who missed out on the last game to get priority for the next one.

You know, there's only two people that have played in every game of the 19 so far, because there's always been more people interested than there are places.

Next game I run, which may be Mafia XX - the next game, I will be allowing anyone to play as usual, new or old. You have to start somewhere.

My only concern is about people who sign up and then don't participate, but there are many regulars who are pretty guilty of that.

Anita, Trokair, you asked first, as did Alva and Drogue. You get the first 4 slots in the next game, I reckon, as long as you can hang around untill the current mafia are caught.

Nice to see new people, I always think. Certainly its nice to meet new people who are markedly more polite than some of the folks who've been here a few years

-Jam

	21-05-2004 01:08									#27
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Thanx Jam, or Trok, whoever you may be

	21-05-2004 01:10									#28
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Would you be so kind to point me to mafia 12 Jamski.

	21-05-2004 01:15									#29
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Its invisible.

-Jam

	21-05-2004 02:16									#30
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I see no reason why a settler couldn't join the main mafia game. But then again 2 games at around 16-20 each would be nice.