21-05-2004 20:22									#61
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Might as well mention it here, as Zopperoni suggested.

*tko's anti-docpiling tirade in Mafia XIX got me thinking about trying out a closed ballot in the spin-off. How do you think this would change the nature of the game? We could also allow people to post whoever they want to say they voted, but the truth could be different. That'd add a whole new cloak-and-dagger aspect to it.

It would certainly reduce docpiling since people won't be so afraid of being singled out. On the other hand, it gives the villagers quite an advantage when the mafia won't have a clue as to who might be a danger. When I was mafia, a large part of my strategy was following how the villagers voted and planning my kills based on that. So we'd need some sort of a stabilizing agent added with the closed ballot, lest we'll be seeing even fewer and fewer Mafia victories.

In fact, there are so few already that we should think about some sort of advantage for the mafia. How about three mafias in a game of > 20 people instead of two? Or should we get our hands dirty with the actual game mechanics?

	21-05-2004 20:26									#62
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Or mafias could know each other and they can win together in the end.

And the secret ballot is a good idea, as long as people still can discuss and share their thought so that the secret votes are not entirely random.

	21-05-2004 20:59									#63
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york I find it very suspicious that a settler would actually read some of the threads before commenting on them. Why are you wasting your time at 'poly? You should be out alongside Supercitizen, fighting the good fight!

Well, how stupid would i look if i went back to the OTF and asked what a docpile was??And it's not hard to figure it out when someone goes "ok docpile me now, everyone vote for [insert speaker's name]". I waste my time here because......... frankly i have no life.

	21-05-2004 21:12									#64
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How long did you lurk?

	21-05-2004 21:26									#65
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That is exactly what I said in mafia 3. Were you lurking that long?

	21-05-2004 21:28									#66
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He's ljcvetko's DL!

	21-05-2004 21:31									#67
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You got me !!!

	21-05-2004 22:44									#68
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Uhm, I don't know the rules of MAFIA, can some one direct me to them... thanks.

To me, your threads look like a bunch of dribble followed by someone whinning about being killed.

I don't get it.

	21-05-2004 22:46									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni It can still deviate by a week or so depending on if and how quickly the Mafia is caught. I think allowing "dead" players to cross over would still be the easiest way of keeping two independent games while still shuffling the player pool somewhat.

Sure, but at least there wont be much time between them, in case if game1 ends early (fastest after 4 rounds) and game2 ends with the mafia wins (16-20 rounds)... (Taken if there's 2 mafia)... but the chances of getting both mafias in two votings is very little...

When the first game ends, the signup thread for both games could start, when the last game ends, the signed up players will then be randomly divided between those two games (This way it's not always the same people fighting the same people)

	21-05-2004 23:03									#70
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quote: Uhm, I don't know the rules of MAFIA, can some one direct me to them... thanks. To me, your threads look like a bunch of dribble followed by someone whinning about being killed. I don't get it.

Look in the "History of Mafia" thread.

-Jam

	22-05-2004 00:52									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Uhm, I don't know the rules of MAFIA, can some one direct me to them... thanks. To me, your threads look like a bunch of dribble followed by someone whinning about being killed. I don't get it.

	22-05-2004 00:53									#72
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Perhaps we should get the "current rules" of all the other games ruls and put them in on post and have Rah top it. The person (without a life) that posts it would be responsible for editing as the rules mature. My vote goes to Jamski.

	22-05-2004 00:54									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Might as well mention it here, as Zopperoni suggested. *tko's anti-docpiling tirade in Mafia XIX got me thinking about trying out a closed ballot in the spin-off. How do you think this would change the nature of the game? We could also allow people to post whoever they want to say they voted, but the truth could be different. That'd add a whole new cloak-and-dagger aspect to it.

I have advocated this a few times.

I think HH has a good idea to help out the Mafia, by letting them know each other so at the very least there is no chance of killing themselves off... at least, by accident.

	22-05-2004 08:02									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy Perhaps we should get the "current rules" of all the other games ruls and put them in on post and have Rah top it. The person (without a life) that posts it would be responsible for editing as the rules mature. My vote goes to Jamski.

If Jam doesn't want to do it, I'll volunteer.

	22-05-2004 09:34									#75
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You could always just post the rules at the beginning of each game, like we do for hangman.

	22-05-2004 10:10									#76
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We ought to have crossovers between the games, such as Nucular Mafia.

	22-05-2004 10:13									#77
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We do! In the last mafia game, the villagers hung the mafia suspects.

	22-05-2004 10:14									#78
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So are we going to make two mafia games or not?

	22-05-2004 10:39									#79
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I suppose a new one could start now if enough people are free to join it. Otherwise we will have to wait until the current one is over before there are enough players.

	22-05-2004 17:05									#80
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Wait untill there's a good few dead people form the current game, and then start a new one. Its not so bad to be killed early then.

-Jam

	22-05-2004 23:52									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley We ought to have crossovers between the games, such as Nucular Mafia.

Or Nuclear Gladiator; everyone starts out with 1000 points to spread, but can only put max 1/3 in defense.

	23-05-2004 00:02									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Wait untill there's a good few dead people form the current game, and then start a new one. Its not so bad to be killed early then. -Jam

If we go with two mafia games, maybe we should have a rule that the second one can't start until the first one reaches round 5 or 6. That way there should be plenty of people to fill each game, and the poor sods who get piled on in the early rounds have somewhere to go.

	23-05-2004 00:10									#83
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Well, I am willing to GM the next Mafia game

	23-05-2004 01:55									#84
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quote: Originally posted by joncha If we go with two mafia games, maybe we should have a rule that the second one can't start until the first one reaches round 5 or 6. That way there should be plenty of people to fill each game, and the poor sods who get piled on in the early rounds have somewhere to go.

Do you guys really think it's going to be that hard to find people to play? I mean, especailly since someone suggested that the amount of people that play each game be lowered.

	23-05-2004 01:55									#85
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quote: Originally posted by joncha If we go with two mafia games, maybe we should have a rule that the second one can't start until the first one reaches round 5 or 6. That way there should be plenty of people to fill each game, and the poor sods who get piled on in the early rounds have somewhere to go.

To be piled in the early rounds there too.

I may even be able to play every mafia game that way.

	23-05-2004 02:05									#86
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poor -tko.

It's a valid point, though. I'm in favour of rule experimentations in the second-tier game.

	23-05-2004 02:57									#87
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Actually, if space filling is a problem,I'm sure there are some people who'd be up for two games simultaneously.

	23-05-2004 03:28									#88
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I think rule experimentations are essential to the second-tier game.

That is often how rule changes are explored in major league sports, for example.

	23-05-2004 04:36									#89
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I wholeheartedly agree. IMHO trying out the closed ballot system would be perfect for the second tier game.

	23-05-2004 07:47									#90
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quote: At the going rate, we'll have a new player everyday.

actually, I'm sort of interested too