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It's not hindsight, it's foresight. The written reports did not say "hijack planes and fly them into buildings," but they did say "hijack planes" and they did say "crash planes into the Pentagon." I think it's fair to say that no one clearly anticipated suicide flights, but it's also reasonable to wonder how they were going to crash planes into buildings any other way. I'm surprised you haven't seen the mainstream media reporting of these fairly detailed reports.
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There were many such warnings; I'm not going to look them all up for you just because you haven't been paying attention. Jumping back to the threadjacking topic of Cynthia McKinney, still no one has produced any actual quote similar to those that she was slandered with, any factually erroneous quote, or any speculation or recommendation that were not entirely reasonable based on the available facts.
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of the Big Apple
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Sorry, but she implied that Bush willfully ignored 9/11 intelligence in order for his friends to get rich. It's clear as day. |
IMPLIED???
Then it would be a lie for you to say she said it, becuase even you only say "she implied";which of course is your interpretation of what she says, not what she actually said.
If you say : "I think BUsh is great", I could "imply" you support Bush, hence his policies, hence you support the Iraq war. Could I then say "Imran said he supports the war"? NO, becuase that is NOT what you said, and I can not read minds, and devoid of any other data, I could not state as a quote something I belive you implied.
UNless you don;t know what implied means.
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:36
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
What the Hell does this have to do with subjectivity? In fact it is consistent. If a majority of people believe she implied something, then it is so. For being involved with politics, you sure come off as naive. You don't think politicians imply things all the time? So you think 'Willie Horton' was just about crime, not about race at all? After all, if you assume 'Willie Horton' was about race then you are assuming! Oops. |
This is NOT a question of what people believed-who cares? It is a question of what was reported. Massive difference.
Being with a politican, I KNOW that what matters is what we SAY< and we want to make sure to be quoted correctly by the press. Words are chosen for a reason-fine, people will intepret, but we want what we said, not someone elses notion of what we said being reported, becuase that way, maybe what we meant (yes, we who actually said it) might be picked up by the public. If some biased reporter interupts that line between us and the public to inject their bias and worse of all, incorrectly quote, then we would be rightfully livid. The press can annylize all it wants- just report what was actually said as well, not making **** up.
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If you stick to facts, rather than loaded terms like "conspiracy theory," you'll find the simple truth that she never said what all the media said she said, and she never made a false statement, and she never presented speculations or suggestions that didn't have a reasonable basis in fact. The falsehoods were in the media representations of what she said, not in what she actually said.
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Takes awhile to read all the articles about the warnings and prior experience with planes attacking buildings, doesn't it, Imran?
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Right, Imran.. Find virtually the one line in all those links that indicates any doubt, and pull it out of context. Completely misstate the overwhelming sense of all the links. Nice job, lawyer-babe.
Is it rude now for me to point out this thread http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=115849 which discusses today's latest evidence of the Cheney administration profiteering from the war? Do you still want to argue that Cynthia McKinney was "loony" for suggesting that the administration was focused on corporate profits for their friends?
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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Find virtually the one line in all those links that indicates any doubt, and pull it out of context. Completely misstate the overwhelming sense of all the links. |
Funny, since a few of those links have nothing to do with planes hitting anything (such as the ABC link). |
Right. That particular one doesn't explicitly talk about planes into buildings; it talks about an Arab suspected terrorist who, as you surely know, was arrested specifically because he wanted to learn to fly but didn't want to learn how to land.
from that link: quote:
The revelation came as legislators were already demanding an explanation following the emergence of an FBI memo alluding to ignored warning signs about Sept. 11. Two months before the hijackings, FBI agents in Phoenix reported their suspicions about Arab students at a Phoenix flight school, and directly referred to the possibility of a connection to bin Laden.
"There should have been bells and whistles going off," Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., said today on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America.
There were "three huge warning signs," Edwards said, referring to a memo from the FBI about al Qaeda members training in flight schools in Arizona; the arrest of suspected terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui — the alleged "20th hijacker" — in Minnesota; and the warning given to Bush in August while he was vacationing at his ranch. |
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Do you still want to argue that Cynthia McKinney was "loony" for suggesting that the administration was focused on corporate profits for their friends? |
Um.. yes. Baseless assumptions because you REALLY want to believe the other side did it fool no one  . |
I don't even understand what you're trying to say there. Want to try it again coherently?
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