25-05-2004 02:54									#61
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In Spanish the word for my homeland is "Patria", which most obviously comes from Padre, or father.

	25-05-2004 02:59									#62
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For the stereotypical democrat, go to a mirror of www.goatse.cx that is still up.

	25-05-2004 03:06									#63
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Er, yeah... when some refference to mother or father is made, then I think usually it gets translated based on that rather than gender, as from German.

	25-05-2004 04:17									#64
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Oh, yes, 500,000 soldeirs.....cause we know a number equivalent to almost the Entire US army votes solely in Florida....RIGHT. Whe making absurd claims, at least try to keep your numbers within the realm of reason.

Hello, Mr. Illiteracy, I said 50,000 to 500,000 cause I honestly didn't remember where the digit was. And I was too lazy to look it up. But then you were too lazy to read my post so I guess we're even.

Still they "banned" far more legitimately cast votes than the Republicans are being accused of doing.

EDIT: after googling a bit there were 15,000 from one county alone that the State FORCED the county to count later. From what I remember of the CNN reports and other networks at the time the Democratic Party had agreed to let them be "counted" but they would not be added into the totals used to determine the actual outcomes of the elections.

So they would be counted but would not be allowed to affect the tallies? It was pretty weird, it was a major network news story for a few weeks after the election.

	25-05-2004 04:48									#65
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You still have no clue what the hell you are talking about, GF.

	25-05-2004 05:09									#66
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Didn't Florida state law require a statewide recount anyway? Didn't the SC support that "in principle", i.e. if it could be done in the 2 hours left for recounting?

	25-05-2004 05:10									#67
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It does now, but not in 2000. It had to be requested.

	25-05-2004 05:12									#68
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There had already been at least 2 recounts at that point. How much longer should we have let the dumbarse population of Florida hold the nation hostage?

	25-05-2004 05:23									#69
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You still have no clue what the hell you are talking about, GF.

What's your issue with it? Its all true, sorry if it doesn't fit into your fanciful little world.

	25-05-2004 05:25									#70
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"Stupidity" was only the problem in one county (full of elderly Jews), since overvotes were never part of the issue. Had they been, you could have *****ed about the whole state.

	25-05-2004 05:27									#71
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb What's your issue with it? Its all true,

It's true because you googled it?

I already responded to your untruthes much earlier in the thread.

	25-05-2004 05:35									#72
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's true because you googled it? I already responded to your untruthes much earlier in the thread.

Alright, now I actually had to go and look up the stuff. Darn you and your made up "facts!"

From CNN's coverage of the situation:

quote: Earlier Tuesday, Florida's Supreme Court affirmed two lower court rulings that rejected attempts by Democratic voters to get 25,000 absentee ballots thrown out because of irregularities in the handling of some requests for those ballots. In the absentee-ballot cases -- from Seminole and Martin counties -- Florida's highest court affirmed the lower court finding that there was no evidence of fraud, gross negligence or wrongdoing. Craig Waters, a spokesman for the state Supreme Court, read the opinion in the Seminole County case, which stated the court "does not in any sense condone the irregularities noted by the trial court."

Not quite the 2400 you claim.

Oh well, back to your dream land.

	25-05-2004 05:38									#73
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara "Stupidity" was only the problem in one county (full of elderly Jews), since overvotes were never part of the issue. Had they been, you could have *****ed about the whole state.

There had already been at least 2 recounts at that point. How much longer should we have let ... Florida hold the nation hostage? I can only imagine how inflamed you'd be if it actually went to Congress.

	25-05-2004 05:39									#74
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc There had already been at least 2 recounts at that point. How much longer should we have let ... Florida hold the nation hostage?

Never underestimate the ability of Florida to recount a recount.

	25-05-2004 05:42									#75
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GF, you should read more carefully.

quote: Republican operatives admitted altering ballot request forms. The plaintiffs argued unsuccessfully that because the ballots that resulted from the altered application forms could not be specifically identified, all the ballots -- about 15,000 in Seminole County and about 10,000 in Martin County -- should be tossed out.

While your third number was correct, I was correct that the ballots were used by Republicans to committ vote fraud.

	25-05-2004 05:48									#76
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc There had already been at least 2 recounts at that point. How much longer should we have let ... Florida hold the nation hostage?

It was irrelevent, because the Gore team only asked for undercounts to be recounted. Anyway those were counted was going to give Bush a victory.

quote: I can only imagine how inflamed you'd be if it actually went to Congress.

Depends on how they did it.

	25-05-2004 05:50									#77
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Depends on how they did it.

It was a Republican dominated Congress. You do the math on how they would have done it.

	25-05-2004 05:53									#78
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I hadn't completely thought it through. If it were a tie (how?), then Congress gets to step in and it goes easily to gore, based on the number of red states.

I was thinking along the lines of the Congress refusing to certifiy Florida if the recount went to Gore, but that would still have left Gore with a victory.

	25-05-2004 05:55									#79
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara [q]Republican operatives admitted altering ballot request forms.

We have "operatives?"

Sweet!


"Agent Sword of Justice, this is MegaMoneyBags."
"Sword of Justice here, go ahead MegaMoneyBags."
"Starbucks has been compromised, I repeat, Starbucks has been compromised."
"What? Not Starbucks! Those darn Liberals..........."

	25-05-2004 06:05									#80
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All evil orgaizations have operatives, unless they're inept, like the Democrats.

	25-05-2004 06:11									#81
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I actually had an idea to do a comic along those lines once. Had the logo and general plot worked out and everything..

	25-05-2004 08:17									#82
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The decision should have been Congresses', as the Constitution mandates. That Republicans and democrats in the shouse would have had to face the music and the duties they swore to carry out should not be a concern-the worse that could have happened? The voters sack the whole bunch of them come Nov 2002 (though there is still 9/11 in between)

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Oh, and GF, I read your post-and as even your numbers show, your lower guess was at least 100% too high, and I can;t for the life of me think you though for a second it could be the higher one, and if you did, well, you have issues.

	25-05-2004 08:48									#84
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We don't want uppity niggers voting.

	25-05-2004 19:04									#85
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Yes, lets continue to wallow around in unending regurgitation of the trivial details of hanging chads, absentee ballots, unsubstantiated claims made by minorities, and MrFunisms while the question of who should be allowed to vote remains unanswered. Compared to the tens of millions of votes cast nationwide by incompetent (and in some cases incontinent) voters, 25,000 or 250,000 questionable votes are meaningless.

It isnt as if we dont regulate the right to vote. Age and other restrictions already apply. Why not have a registration test? Why is it you have to pass a test in order to operate a car but in order to elect the most powerful man in the world you dont even have to prove you are sentient?

	25-05-2004 19:10									#86
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Because once upon a time such tests were used to prevent people with a certain color skin from voting. That's unfortunate, because I would like to see some basic voting requirements such as you outlined. But it isn't going to happen given the past history of these things.

-Arrian

	25-05-2004 19:10									#87
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Becuase there is no constitutional right to drive (to use an oft cited gunnut arguement).

	25-05-2004 19:17									#88
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Yes, lets continue to wallow around in unending regurgitation of the trivial details of hanging chads, absentee ballots, unsubstantiated claims made by minorities, and MrFunisms while the question of who should be allowed to vote remains unanswered.

Thank you for bringing this back on track, though where you went from there was a little odd.

This is about Florida basically saying, "proove you have a right to vote." What happened to asumption of innosence? What happened to due process?

In other news, a Federal court through out a lawsuit that would have required touch screen systems to produce a paper trail. The judge said that while a similar suit is pending in Florida courts, he hasn't jurisdiction. I don't see why not. The right to vote is a Constitutional matter. If SCOTUS can ursurp a case while its in state court, why can't a lower Federal court?

	25-05-2004 19:33									#89
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Theres no constitional right to vote either (but there is a right to a gun )

	25-05-2004 19:36									#90
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I think you're wrong there, Spencer.