21-05-2004 21:02									#1
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In our fair state, it is illegal for ex-felons to vote. In order to do so, they must apply for clemency from the gov. We are one of eight states that do this.

Before 2000, the vetting of names to be stricken from the voter rolls was handled by a local firm, which charged the State of Florida $5,000. State law requires that contracts go to the best bid. No one complained.

In 2000, the bid went to a Republican connected firm that was out of state for several million dollars. More than 50,000 people who were eligible voters, the majority of them Black, were wrongfully stripped of their right to vote.

Bush "won" the election by a mere 526 votes.

Well, they're doing it again.

Rather than make absolutely sure they've got the right people, the state is having a list of likely felons drawn up. It is then the responsibility of each county to contact these people and tell them they've been removed from the voter rolls, by certified mail. The voter than has 30 days from receipt of the certified letter to challenge their status.

The only saving grace is that people who think they should be eligible to vote can cast a special ballot which will be counted if their challenge is upheld.

Why isn't the state required to make sure they've got the right person, rather than taking likely people off the rolls.

God, this state is corrupt.

	21-05-2004 21:16									#2
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You get a letter lately Che?

	21-05-2004 21:40									#3
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What else do you expect from the Prison Peninsula, aka Caligula's Trailer Park?

	21-05-2004 21:52									#4
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Isn't it worse to deny an eligible voter his rights than to allow an ex-felon to vote?

	21-05-2004 21:57									#5
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It is worse to allow illegal aliens to vote than probable would be ex-felons...

	21-05-2004 22:05									#6
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True, but illegal aliens wouldn't get on the voter rolls in the first place.

Now, if we're talking about letting non-citizen residents of a more legal nature vote, I don't see what's wrong with letting people who pay taxes vote.

	21-05-2004 22:08									#7
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No, I am talking about the walk-ins here in California who are not citizens but somehow manage to get a vote in.

	21-05-2004 22:12									#8
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I can't see how this kind of system could possibly be upheld in court. Supreme Court battle, round 2? (Has anyone sued yet?)

	21-05-2004 22:14									#9
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The illegal aliens I know would be very unlikely to take the chance of trying to vote and risking that they will be discovered and kicked out of the country.

	21-05-2004 22:15									#10
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Hmm... California voting is interesting in and of itself, but more likely than not, these issues will not determine which way California goes in this election.

If I thought differently, I might register to vote in Alameda County (home of Berkeley... and my dad's house), but any state I decide to register to vote in and can concievably do so (dad lives in CA, mom in IN, and I'm in college in GA, which doesn't count as my permanent residence, but we still have a house there which might) is already decided either for Bush or Kerry, so there's not really much of a point.

	21-05-2004 22:16									#11
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vote third party
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	21-05-2004 22:17									#12
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Well, Federal elections will be held in Canada on June 28 (Well it is the worst kept secret that the PM will call the election this Sunday for June 28). Here people in prison are allowed to vote. I am not sure if they set up polling stations in each prison or if they vote in advance by mail.

	21-05-2004 23:39									#13
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Ex-felons are denied their democratic rights? WTF? Is this 1930's Germany, or the self-proclaimed land of the free?

Shame on you. Eight states!

-Jam

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So just to clarify:

"Innocent until proven guilty" is just a nice little saying we have; it doesn't actually mean anything.

	22-05-2004 00:12									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Ex-felons are denied their democratic rights?

What's wrong with that?

quote: God, this state is corrupt

They're just amatuers. They should be taking lessons from Illinois.

	22-05-2004 00:18									#16
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quote: What's wrong with that?

Everyone in a democracy should have a right to vote. Even if they once stole a car. I don't see why that disqualifies anyone from having an opinion on how their country should be run.

If you can't get that right, then its a bit rich to force democracy onto other countries who didn't ask for it. regardless of how much oil they have

-Jam

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The Florida Democratic Party stripped something like 50,000 to 500,000 soldiers of the right to vote for the Bush/Gore election because they felt soldiers were more inclined to vote Republican.

Both sides pull the same shenanigans.

	22-05-2004 01:04									#18
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Oh, yes, 500,000 soldeirs.....cause we know a number equivalent to almost the Entire US army votes solely in Florida....RIGHT.



Whe making absurd claims, at least try to keep your numbers within the realm of reason.

	22-05-2004 01:08									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Ex-felons are denied their democratic rights? WTF? Is this 1930's Germany, or the self-proclaimed land of the free? Shame on you. Eight states! -Jam

Jamski, the glorious great rodina homeland, with the guiding hand from Comrade Lenin The Reagan, defeated the evil capitalists communists!
How can we be anything BUT a democracy?

	22-05-2004 01:09									#20
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The US is the 'motherland', btw, Tass .

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quote: The Florida Democratic Party stripped something like 50,000 to 500,000 soldiers of the right to vote for the Bush/Gore election because they felt soldiers were more inclined to vote Republican.

Source?

	22-05-2004 01:23									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The US is the 'motherland', btw, Tass .

Actually, its "homeland".
Edited to be correct

	22-05-2004 01:27									#23
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No, it has a gender .

	22-05-2004 01:28									#24
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Department of Homeland Security
You fail The Reagan yet again

	22-05-2004 01:36									#25
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Yes... so Russia isn't the Homeland either? It is only the Motherland (Rodina)? Don't think so. Homeland isn't even a gender!

The US in terms of gendered terminology is the Motherland, and The Reagan approves.

	22-05-2004 01:38									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Flinx Well, Federal elections will be held in Canada on June 28 (Well it is the worst kept secret that the PM will call the election this Sunday for June 28). Here people in prison are allowed to vote. I am not sure if they set up polling stations in each prison or if they vote in advance by mail.

wrong thread

Anyways, it will be interesting to see what kind of tricks (if any) Jeb, or other republican states, will pull to keep Bush in this november.

	22-05-2004 01:38									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yes... so Russia isn't the Homeland either? It is only the Motherland (Rodina)?

Yes.

quote: The US in terms of gendered terminology is the Motherland, and The Reagan approves.

Your government adopted a genderless term. As shown in "Department of Homeland Security"
The Lenin triumphs again!

	22-05-2004 01:40									#28
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The Lenin will never trimph!

You can't expect the US to call itself the Department of Motherland Security. That just sounds... (insert word)! Especially since it is about kicking asses. Mothers don't kick asses!

	22-05-2004 01:43									#29
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My mom could kick your mom's arse.

	22-05-2004 01:44									#30
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But fathers do. Department of Fatherland Security...Sounds manly!
But instead you called it "Homeland"...BY CHOICE!

The Reagan is getting his kicked by The Lenin!