23-05-2004 08:19									#1
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3 x 2 PBEMS

These are regular PBEMs except that there will be 3 players, each playing 2 factions consecutively. No AI, no Empath Guild and no PK’s

It’ll be smac, standard map, average everything, 50 to 70% water, Thinker level (1 below transcend). Co-op victory will be disabled (so 2 can’t gang up on a third just to attain victory) – and you’ll have to choose which of your 2 factions you want to win.

The pairs will be:

The Citrus Team - Morgan and Miriam
Salt & Pepper – University and Sparta
The Bluets – Hive and Gaians

Any interest?

Googlie

	23-05-2004 15:19									#2
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Yes. Interested. Very. I'll tenatively say Uni + Sparta.

-Jam

	23-05-2004 15:38									#3
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I'm also interested. I'd love to be Morgan + Miriam.

	23-05-2004 15:51									#4
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hmm-- I guess I could take the Hive and gaians--

	23-05-2004 15:52									#5
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Ohh and why thinker level--- its fine but just curious whu you chose it

	23-05-2004 16:53									#6
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Well - I was reading Tass's thread and there seemed to be some new players around who wanted to get into PBEMs, so I thought that this might be a good way to get them involved

And the features that have the DIFF in the formulae (research, drones, etc) might be easier for them to manage at Thinker than at Transcend (I toyed with Librarian as a thought, but that might dissuade some vets from reading any further, so Thinker was the compromise)

As this first sign-up is vets, though, I can make it Transcend which is what you 3 - Jamski, Chaunk and Flubber - are more used to playing

	23-05-2004 18:10									#7
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Well if there is another 3x2 , I would join and play Morgan Miriam.

	23-05-2004 18:56									#8
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It could be an interesting change to play a thinker game. I'm happy either way to be honest.

	23-05-2004 22:20									#9
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I'm happy to play either. To be honest though Thinker will give my Uni an unfair advantage. That extra Drone at size 4 only really has any effect if the 2nd and 3rd pops were Drones too.

If you'd rather play Thinker its fine, Transcend is fine too, but I always feel the game was balanced for Transcend level play.

-Jam

	24-05-2004 01:29									#10
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To be perfectly honest, I think the extra drone at size four NEVER has an effect...

Like I said, transcend is good, thinker is good. Citizen could be a laugh too... Lets stick with transcend then perhaps?

Googlie, can I apply for your CMNing abilities for this game: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=115357

4 players, 3 ai, large planet, everything else would be up to you...

	24-05-2004 01:53									#11
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But you have to agree that the lower the difficulty level, the easier it is for the Uni, proportional to the other factions, and vice versa for the Peackeepers.

-Jam

	24-05-2004 02:01									#12
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Yes, indeed I do.

	24-05-2004 05:30									#13
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OK - Transcend level it is for First Iteration.

Team Citrus: Chaunk
Team S & P: Jamski
Team Bluet: Flubber

Next game will have:

Team Citrus: Hercules
Players wanted for the other two teams

	24-05-2004 10:17									#14
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I guess I'll have to remember how to play the Hive--

I look forward to it

	24-05-2004 12:02									#15
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Guess I'll have to work out what to do with these Spartans, too... *shrug*

E-mail will be needed I suppose. Mine is :

j_maunders AT yahoo.co.uk

Put PBEM in the message title or its bound to get spam filtered.

-Jam

	24-05-2004 20:24									#16
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what exactly is a "bluet"??-- from the other names I know you were referring to colors so does bluet incorporate the blues and the greens . .. .

Personally I see my team as " the economically challenged" or the "Planned" economies. LOL--

Oh and can our factions immediately trade techs and stuff or do we have to meet first. I assume meeting is required to talk woth the other teams.

	25-05-2004 01:13									#17
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I'm interested in team Bluet for the second game.

The difficulty level isn't real important to me, as I am not new to either SMAC or multiplayer.

	25-05-2004 03:50									#18
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A bluet is a green-stemmed, green-leafed, blue-flowering plant (If you'd been from Kentucky instead of Calgary you could have been Team Bluegrass)

And yes, your 2 factions will be set up with each others' commlinks and pacted, so tech swapping, etc etc can occur from turn 1. You'll have to meet other teams in-game, though, to talk or trade.

G.

	25-05-2004 03:53									#19
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Game # 2 is firming up -

Team Citrus (Morgan and Miriam) - Hercules
Team Bluet (Yang and Deirdre) - Chaos Theory
Team Salt & Pepper (Zak and Santiago) - vacant

edit: see post below for changes to team combos

Last edited by Googlie on 25-05-2004 at 05:19

	25-05-2004 05:15									#20
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Jamski - you don't have smax, right?

I can't get the turn order with smac to put Sparta before Morgan (well I can, but Sparta then is yellow and Morgan is black)

Turn order, for speed, being that you play your 2 factions consecutively before passing on the turn.

It'd work as advertised if the teams were:

Hive and University - Jamski
Morgan and Sparta - Chaunk
Believers and Gaians - Flubber

(I can't come up with a decent name for the Hive/Uni combo, but the others would be Team Wasp and still Team Citrus - not that team names matter at all, though.

Are these revised combos OK with everyone?

	25-05-2004 05:26									#21
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Well, Sparta certainly isn't my favourate faction... but yeah, why not, if it's alright with Flubber and Jamski. I suspect the Hive&Uni may be slightly overpowered in comparison to the others - certainly believers and gaians - but thats fine with me I think.

	25-05-2004 05:42									#22
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I'm not too sure about the BG's being underdogs. Just visualize the fanatic horde arriving on your doorstep on IoD's - a 25% bonus for a believer unit hustling alongside a demon boil mindworm. Can you spell momentum squared?

And a Morgan/Sparta combo is awesome (I was Sparta in one of my best PBEMs with a Morgan pactmate - I supplied the airforce and navy and he supplied the research and energy credits)

In fact, they may be even better than the original combos

	25-05-2004 05:42									#23
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I hate hate hate playing the believers--- sorry I just don't enjoy them at all so if thats a necessary combo, I'll step aside

	25-05-2004 05:47									#24
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Momentum squared yes, but against a momentum& builder combo team. I think the window of opportunity for the momentum rush is massivly shorter in this sort of game.

I'd be happy to take Believer Gaia in exchange for Morgan Sparta flubber. It'll be a different sort of game for me... and I LOVE playing the believers

	25-05-2004 05:56									#25
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Done

I agree that Uni-Hive is probably the best combo but I think I could enjoy Morgan- Sparta-- I don't play either that great but I should have fun folling around with them

	25-05-2004 06:07									#26
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I also agree with chaunk that the momentum window could be very very short -- who do you hit?? The Morgan-spartans or the Hive Uni--each team has a good early fighter

	25-05-2004 06:19									#27
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But also each team also has a good researcher, so even supposing it was possible to attack in say, 20, 25 turns, it's equally possible you could be facing trance plasma sentinels when you get there... Ah well, time will tell

	25-05-2004 06:29									#28
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Haven't heard from Jamski, but assuming he's copacetic, it'll be:

Hive and University - Jamski
Morgan and Sparta - Flubber
Believers and Gaians - Chaunk

I've playtested around 30 years and it's ...........interesting

G.

	25-05-2004 06:35									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie I've playtested around 30 years and it's ...........interesting G.

I hate when a CMN says stuff like that LOL -- I never know whether I should expect an enemy 6 tiles away or if there will be souped up custom native life ( like Darsnan does)

All I know is when a CMN says that , expect ANYTHING

	25-05-2004 07:25									#30
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Naw - pretty much vanilla native life.

More about the strategic choices needing to be made - when to trade techs - juggling your pair so as to get that critical "last place on the totem pole" status so as to get the tech research boost, then flipping to the other, etc. And zones of control - where and how, ...... those sort of things (of course it was triply interesting as I was playing all 3 pairs and it was hard to keep track of who was doing what to whom.

Assuming Jamski is onside it'll go out to Chaunk this evening. I'll start a new turn reporting thread and post the link here

G.