08-06-2004 07:57									#301
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Brad Richards gets the Conn Smythe. PEI must be rocking tonight -- only place in Canada that wasn't rooting for the Flames .

EDIT: This has really gotta sting for Ottawa Senators fans. They & the Lightning came into the league in the same year, and despite supposedly being "on the brink" for 2-3 years now, they've just been surpassed by their expansion cousins.

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	08-06-2004 08:03									#302
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski 1 down, 1 to go for the owner of the Lightning. And Detroit is up 1-0 in the NBA Finals.

Well, that is good news.

BUT

Tampa Bay? Tampa ****ing Bay? The Stanley Cup is won by a team based in ****ing Florida?!

Maybe the NHL does need to take some time off.

If anyone can give me a good reason not to beat my own head in with my hockey stick, fire away.

	08-06-2004 08:06									#303
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^ One reason and one alone: Dave Andreychuk. How can you beat your head in at watching a guy who's toiled in the league for 22 years finally get his Cup?

	08-06-2004 08:08									#304
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Because it is Tampa Bay.

Tampa Bay! Hockey!


Have we entered an alternate universe or something?

	08-06-2004 08:10									#305
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And the joy seeped out of Mudville.

Congrats to Tampa, they did have the talent. What a great, young team. Odds are this will not be the last.

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	08-06-2004 08:13									#306
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^ Hey, they've been here since 92-93. You wanna rage about it now, go ahead -- you can't blame Bettman for this one, though, it was Ziegler who awarded those franchises.

There are actually more Canadian players on the Lightning roster than the Flames roster, even.

	08-06-2004 08:14									#307
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Congrats Lightning!

Flames gave a good effort, but the better team definitely won tonight.

As has been said already: how can one not be happy for guys like Andreychuk, Lecavalier, Richards, and especially St. Louis? The little guy that could... It was great seeing him hoist the cup.

Even the role-players on Tampa proved, at least to me, that they had the chops to contribute to a win. They weren't being carried by the big guns; guys like Cibak, Clymer, and Dingman contributed game in, game out.

So: Congrats.

	08-06-2004 08:17									#308
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Congrats to Tampa.

Calgary showed up for the last 10 minutes - not good enough. It's a bloody shame too because they totally outplayed Tampa for so much of the series. My heart ached game after game when 'Bulin left all those rebounds...and their was hardly ever a Flame on the doorstep to clean up the garbage.

Old guy wins - okay nice, but I don't really care. Richards/St. Louis/Fedotenko were more deserving.

I disagree with the thought that there is more in store for this team. Winning so young does strange things - 50% of them will be ruined by this and never get better or in fact decline.

	08-06-2004 08:26									#309
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quote: Originally posted by dejon Old guy wins - okay nice, but I don't really care. Richards/St. Louis/Fedotenko were more deserving.

Fedotenko, yes. Bashed up to high hell, but basically is The Show, offensively, in game 7.

	08-06-2004 08:28									#310
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Worst Stanley Cup playoffs... well... since I started watching the NHL in 1993.

	08-06-2004 08:29									#311
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Tampa Bay? Tampa ****ing Bay? The Stanley Cup is won by a team based in ****ing Florida?! Maybe the NHL does need to take some time off. If anyone can give me a good reason not to beat my own head in with my hockey stick, fire away.

you are 100% correct...

	08-06-2004 08:29									#312
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The series was over in game 6.

Tampa outplayed Calgary this game, but it should have never happened. The NHL needs to invest in transponders and RFIDs or something. It's ****ing cheap, and totally fair.

Oh well. There's always next year the year after next.

That said, I'm pleased with the Flames this year. Bottom of the division to the Stanley Cup Finals, they made us proud.

	08-06-2004 08:31									#313
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One thing about the Finals... there were a lot of red-haired guys with beards. What's up with that?

	08-06-2004 08:33									#314
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The series was over in game 6. Tampa outplayed Calgary this game, but it should have never happened. The NHL needs to invest in transponders and RFIDs or something. It's ****ing cheap, and totally fair. Oh well. There's always next year the year after next. That said, I'm pleased with the Flames this year. Bottom of the division to the Stanley Cup Finals, they made us proud.

I was waiting for that.

I said to my wife as soon as the game ended, "Now they'll be sore about the non-goal."

	08-06-2004 08:34									#315
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Anyone know what's going on in Calgary? I hope it doesn't get ugly like Vancouver in '94.

	08-06-2004 08:34									#316
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Don't call it a non-goal, even the Tampa Bay Tribune concedes it was a goal now.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Don't call it a non-goal, even the Tampa Bay Tribune concedes it was a goal now.

Hey, I'm bitter too, but if it isn't on the scoresheet...

	08-06-2004 08:37									#318
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I really hope Gary Bettman and the other NHL execs make a trip to Calgary sometime soon. I think they're the most hated men in Calgary's history right now.

	08-06-2004 08:41									#319
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King Sutter said it wasn't a goal.

Hence, a non-goal it was.

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^ Oh, come on, Asher. Did you watch the ABC feed tonight? They did a computer reconstruction of the shot based on the one replay they had, and concluded it was about 3/4 of the way across the line, but not all the way over. All it takes is a couple inches of elevation to change where that puck ultimately was and still look like it was in from that angle.

You wanna *****, ***** about the fact that the Flames played like crap for 50 minutes and Iginla completely ran out of gas in games 6 & 7.

And Sava, if you think this year's playoffs were worse than last year's, I gotta ask if you wear glasses -- if so, check the prescription; if not, get them. That game 7, at least the last ten minutes, was way better than the snooze-fest that was last year's NJ/Anaheim game 7, and never mind the rest of the playoffs. Unless you actually like Minnesota/Anaheim-style series, that is, in which case there's just no hope for ya .

	08-06-2004 08:43									#321
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quote: Originally posted by cinch King Sutter said it wasn't a goal. Hence, a non-goal it was.

Sutter said it wasn't a goal because he didn't want the team fixated on it, and needed to move on since he knew nothing would be done. He thought the Flames would play harder thinking they lost that game legitly than if they played hard enough to win. I thought that was obvious...

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This was one of the best playoffs that I've ever seen, hands-down.

Beats the crap out of the preceding 8 years of NewJersey-Detroit-Colorado-Dallas-repeat bullcrap.

And to be fair to Iggy: he didn't ENTIRELY run out of gas... he just wasn't hitting quite the hits he did earlier, in part due to fatigue, but also due to Tampa's tightening D. He still had a few great plays in the last 120 minutes.

	08-06-2004 08:46									#323
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quote: Originally posted by optimus2861 ^ Oh, come on, Asher. Did you watch the ABC feed tonight?

No, I was at a bar and they were showing CBC.

quote: They did a computer reconstruction of the shot based on the one replay they had, and concluded it was about 3/4 of the way across the line, but not all the way over. All it takes is a couple inches of elevation to change where that puck ultimately was and still look like it was in from that angle.

Erm, a computer reconstruction can say whatever the person doing it wants it to say. Haven't you seen the photoshop threads? How can a puck be 3/4 across the line with white on either side of it?

quote: You wanna *****, ***** about the fact that the Flames played like crap for 50 minutes and Iginla completely ran out of gas in games 6 & 7.

I already said they outplayed us in game 7 (I don't think they outplayed us in Game 6).

	08-06-2004 08:47									#324
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Sutter said it wasn't a goal because he didn't want the team fixated on it, and needed to move on since he knew nothing would be done. He thought the Flames would play harder thinking they lost that game legitly than if they played hard enough to win. I thought that was obvious...

Don't insult your team by turning this into a petty whine-fest.

It wasn't conclusively a goal, the ref called nothing: hence, it was not a goal.

Would you like the NHL to reverse its call, even though it was correct, and give the Cup to Calgary?

'Cause I assure you, they would not accept it. No one wants to win on a technicality. But we don't have to worry about that, because, hey, it was not a goal.

Congrats to Calgary on a great season, even though they came up in short in the end... fair and square.

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Sutter will get his wrist slapped now that it is over.

The officials were between a rock and hard place with those two teams. A highly skilled, puck carrying team vs. a grinding, dump and chase forechecking team. If you call a low amount of penalties, you benefit the Flames, and old-fashioned hockey fans love you for "letting them play". If you call more penalties, you benefit Tampa, and the segment of fans aching for more skill, no fighting (clutching, grabbing), etc. love you.

	08-06-2004 08:47									#326
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Nah that's just a weak attempt to save the face of NHL. It was in........................ because our papers said so.

	08-06-2004 08:49									#327
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quote: Originally posted by optimus2861 ^ One reason and one alone: Dave Andreychuk. How can you beat your head in at watching a guy who's toiled in the league for 22 years finally get his Cup?

Easily -- because the guy didn't do a f*cking thing this whole playoff race. He was even in the penalty box when the game was won. That's the extent of his contribution to his team. Oh, lest I forget his one goal.

I'm happier that stellar players like Richards got the goal, Andreychuk draws my pity and anger that he lucked out.

	08-06-2004 08:51									#328
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quote: Originally posted by cinch Don't insult your team by turning this into a petty whine-fest. It wasn't conclusively a goal, the ref called nothing: hence, it was not a goal.

Of course it wasn't officially a goal. It was conclusively a goal if you can see the damn picture. I honestly don't know how anyone can stare at that picture and insist that the puck is NOT on the ice, AND that the puck was NOT over the line.

quote: Would you like the NHL to reverse its call, even though it was correct, and give the Cup to Calgary? 'Cause I assure you, they would not accept it. No one wants to win on a technicality.

Erm. It's not winning on a technicality, if they reversed their call, it would be winning fair and square.

Winning on a technicality would be forcing a game 7 on an obvious goal because the league has a policy not to change the outcome of a game after it happened.

	08-06-2004 08:51									#329
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Andreychuk contributed leadership to his team while playing hard-nosed hockey night-in and night-out.

Sitting on the puck, giving yourself an edge in faceoffs, working guys hard into the boards, finishing checks... that's the type of inglorious, ugly hockey that Dave excels at. Just because he doesn't have the flash of a Vinny or a St. Louis, doesn't mean he didn't contribute.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Easily -- because the guy didn't do a f*cking thing this whole playoff race. He was even in the penalty box when the game was won. That's the extent of his contribution to his team. Oh, lest I forget his one goal. I'm happier that stellar players like Richards got the goal, Andreychuk draws my pity and anger that he lucked out.

As a rule, I'm not a fan of veterans past their prime, but that's not really fair. What he provided was veteran leadership - which is not quantifiable in a box score. Without his calming presence they likely would not have gotten there.