07-06-2004 01:14									#241
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia and? that has nothing to do with me taking joy now at the flames misfortune.

"Misfortune"? A team that was last in the division last year is in game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals, that's not misfortune.

Misfortune is predicting an easy win for the Sharks, and have them eliminated in 6 games.

quote: oh, so the series is over now?

In my mind, it is. The goal was clearly in, so it was a 3-2 final for Calgary.

Game 7 is a tossup, and just determines the winner according to the NHL's ****ed up officiating.

	07-06-2004 01:17									#242
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quote: Originally posted by Asher That was Gelinas too...that would've been his fourth series-ending GWG. Let me rephase it: that was his fourth series-ending GWG.

Do you have an overhead angle to back that up? No?

I see... then it's inconclusive, isn't it?

	07-06-2004 01:21									#243
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Do you have an overhead angle to back that up? No? I see... then it's inconclusive, isn't it?

It was wedged under the pads...of course there's no overhead angle.

Using your logic, any goal obscured from overhead cameras by a goalie is inconclusive...

Look at the damn pic. There's no way that was NOT over the line. It was NOT in the air like originally thought, it's clearly wedged between the skates/pads and the ice, and you can also see ice on the all sides.

It's not inconclusive.

	07-06-2004 01:22									#244
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quote: TSN just said that Kerry Fraser will referee game 7.

Oh the irony.

He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. Kerry helped Calgary on their path, and now he could finish them.

	07-06-2004 01:23									#245
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Kerry did not help Calgary on their path. I have NO idea why you think he did...

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quote: Originally posted by Asher It was wedged under the pads...of course there's no overhead angle. Using your logic, any goal obscured from overhead cameras by a goalie is inconclusive... Look at the damn pic. There's no way that was NOT over the line. It was NOT in the air like originally thought, it's clearly wedged between the skates/pads and the ice, and you can also see ice on the all sides. It's not inconclusive.

It doesn't look "wedged" anywhere. From that angle it appears to be in. But not, apparently, from any other angle.

But feel free to keep using the "we're the real winners" clarion call of the homer.

	07-06-2004 01:33									#247
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quote: Originally posted by joncha It doesn't look "wedged" anywhere. From that angle it appears to be in. But not, apparently, from any other angle.

That's because none of the other angles could see the puck.

Let's face it...it's in the NHL's best interests to have a game 7.

Want to explain to me how it's not wedged? It's clearly between the pads/skates and the ice, and last time I checked goalies cannot levitate, so to me that would constitute being wedged. Further, if he was in the air and the puck was deflected out, it would've come out at a different angle, not a lateral slide...

It was on the ice, it was behind the line, and the refs really can't be faulted for not seeing it, but the NHL makes a lot more money if they get an additional game out of a series.

	07-06-2004 01:37									#248
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quote: Kerry did not help Calgary on their path. I have NO idea why you think he did...

A penalty against Vancouver on Jovo in game 7?

Yep, no help for Calgary from Kerry Fraser.

	07-06-2004 01:39									#249
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lol Fraser.. He is known all the way here in Europe for his bad reffing.. I mean.. not even talking about this final series but here we have a ref that's just impossible to cooperate with in the rink. You never know how hard you can play because the other team might get a way with let's say slashing or tripping in your defensive zone and then you get the puck back and start moving up and someone slightly touches opponent, falls, interference out of the blue.

I mean.. you just never know. It's usually easy to read how you can play and first penalty is called for example and limit as how you can play.. but it's not consistent and that's what I think makes him simply a bad ref.

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and as for the Flames.. well.. looks like they have lots lots of games in home arena and stole lots of games in others home arenas so statistically speaking this shouldn't be that bad for the Flames. Of course it's another thing to win and another thing to win in your home arena..

	07-06-2004 01:46									#251
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi A penalty against Vancouver on Jovo in game 7? Yep, no help for Calgary from Kerry Fraser.

Jovo getting a penalty?!?! He never gets penalties, that's so absurd!

Which penalty are you talking about? The one where he toppled Kipper?

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The one that had him sit out during OT, where Calgary just happened to score.

Jostling in front of the net for position. Nothing to do with Kipper.

	07-06-2004 01:57									#253
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi The one that had him sit out during OT, where Calgary just happened to score. Jostling in front of the net for position. Nothing to do with Kipper.

What really happened? I don't recall there being any controversy over the call.

That's the one where he aggressively used his stick to push a Flame's back 3 times in a row?

	07-06-2004 02:10									#254
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quote: I don't recall there being any controversy over the call.

Selective memory.

quote: That's the one where he aggressively used his stick to push a Flame's back 3 times in a row?

Right. Jostling for position is now a penalty. There is no way you call Jovo for something that minor in the last few minutes when his team is losing.

Kerry Fraser started Calgary off, so it is only fair that he could end their run.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Right. Jostling for position is now a penalty. There is no way you call Jovo for something that minor in the last few minutes when his team is losing.

Give me a f*cking break. It was in regulation, not OT, and Jovo violently used his stick to try to push a Calgary defender down right infront of the net, right infront of the ref, not once...not twice...but three times. Of course he has to call that. There's no way he could say he didn't see it, and Calgary would be up in arms over such a blatant penalty not being called right infront of a ref.

quote: Kerry Fraser started Calgary off, so it is only fair that he could end their run.

Jovo was stupid, and you guys lost. You seem to forget Game 1, where the refs handed it to you on a silver platter.

Plus you're leaving out the convenient fact that you scored on that penalty kill, too.

	07-06-2004 02:16									#256
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quote: to try to push a Calgary defender down right infront of the net, right infront of the ref, not once...not twice...but three times.

Oh heavens. Whatever shall we do?

Hey, at least I'm not the one dissing Kerry Fraser after he gave you the game and the series when he starts calling things against you.

Tough luck last night. Tampa outplayed Calgary consistently. It should not have gone to double OT.

	07-06-2004 02:18									#257
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Oh heavens. Whatever shall we do?

The answer: Call a penalty. And it was what was done. Not only was it a more-than-fair and have-to-make call, you guys scored on it. You were LUCKY to get to OT.

quote: Hey, at least I'm not the one dissing Kerry Fraser after he gave you the game and the series when he starts calling things against you.

He didn't give us the game. We were winning until the dying seconds of the game, where the very penalty you're *****ing about (which was an obvious penalty, by the way, which makes this all the more laughable) set up a play which gave you the tying goal, sending it into OT. You lost in OT because the Canucks weren't playing on the same level as the Flames.

quote: Tough luck last night. Tampa outplayed Calgary consistantly. It should not have gone to double OT.

You obviously didn't even watch the game. Calgary outchanced, AND outshot Tampa... so I don't see how Tampa could've outplayed Calgary consistently -- especially when all three of their goals were messy, and Calgary's 2 were beautiful.

	07-06-2004 02:34									#258
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quote: "Misfortune"? A team that was last in the division last year is in game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals, that's not misfortune. Misfortune is predicting an easy win for the Sharks, and have them eliminated in 6 games.

misfortune is not prediction an easy win. how is that misfortune? misfortune is not getting calls your way and that might have cost you the stanley cup.

quote: In my mind, it is. The goal was clearly in, so it was a 3-2 final for Calgary.

well since you say it is, i guess it is.

	07-06-2004 02:51									#259
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quote: You were LUCKY to get to OT.

No thanks to Fraser. They just got too tired killing off that penalty in the beginning of OT.

Hey, at least we didn't suck so much that we completely fell apart in the last 20 seconds allowing Vancouver to tie the game.

quote: You obviously didn't even watch the game.

Watched every minute with my flatmate.

quote: Calgary outchanced, AND outshot Tampa... so I don't see how Tampa could've outplayed Calgary consistently

They pummelled Calgary so much that the commentator had to explain to fans why the score was tied if they only watched the last half of the second, and the start of the third. Yes, it is true that Calgary outplayed Tampa for about a period, but a period is different from the game.

quote: -- especially when all three of their goals were messy, and Calgary's 2 were beautiful.

Beautiful goals on the Powerplay. What game did you watch, Asher?

I found myself cheering for Tampa because of how badly the Calgary PK squad performed. They passed so well, that it was just a matter of time before they scored.

Yes, Calgary had a pretty goal, but they also caught some breaks to tie the game.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Hey, at least we didn't suck so much that we completely fell apart in the last few minutes allowing Vancouver to tie the game.

Dude...allowing one goal does not constitute sucking. Sucking is what Vancouver did in game 6 -- blowing a 4 goal lead to go into triple overtime.

quote: They pummelled Calgary so much that the commentator had to explain to fans why the score was tied if they only watched the last half of the second, and the start of the third. Yes, it is true that Calgary outplayed Tampa for about a period, but a period is different from the game.

That was a joke on CBC, making reference to the first period only. Which, as you said, does not constitute a game. His exact words were something like "I feel like I almost have to explain to people just joining us why the game is still tied". And actually, this was made during the second period, where Calgary was walking all over Tampa but not scoring.

To look at a game, you look at the stats:
Calgary shots on goal: 33
Tampa Bay shots on goal: 27

My math is fuzzy, which one of those numbers is higher?

Shouldn't the team that "consistently outplayed" the other team have more shots on goal?

Further, how can a team "consistently outplay" another if it had only 5 shots in the 2nd period, while Calgary had 13 -- and even numbers of shots in the 1st and 3rd.

quote: Beautiful goals on the Powerplay. What game did you watch, Asher?

Beautiful goals? The first one was a centering pass that Kipper accidentally swept with the backside of his stick, knocking it in. That is NOT a beautiful goal...

quote: I found myself cheering for Tampa because of how badly the Calgary PK squad performed.

You're cheering for Tampa because Calgary eliminated Vancouver. It's obvious from your ridiculous posts how biased you are against Calgary.

	07-06-2004 03:16									#261
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Sadly enough, I have to agree with Asher completely.

Ben knows about as much about hockey as he does about anything else...

	08-06-2004 05:05									#262
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Game 7.

	08-06-2004 05:09									#263
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In all fairness to Calgary, even our papers said Flames scored but ref didn't see it properly and that Flames should be the champs right now. Of course it doesn't have anyhthing to do with the fact that Tampa has 0 Finns and Flames has 3

Anyway, Flames will take it in the Game 7. It is supported by the statistics.

	08-06-2004 05:14									#264
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Wow, does Tampa have a porn star singing the national anthems? Classy.

	08-06-2004 05:15									#265
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quote: Dude...allowing one goal does not constitute sucking. Sucking is what Vancouver did in game 6 -- blowing a 4 goal lead to go into triple overtime.

Yeah, but that still doesn't stop Calgary folding like a cheap tent before the buzzer.

I admit it should not have been so close, but these Canucks seem to like the adrenaline of torturing their fans.

quote: That was a joke on CBC, making reference to the first period only. Which, as you said, does not constitute a game. His exact words were something like "I feel like I almost have to explain to people just joining us why the game is still tied". And actually, this was made during the second period, where Calgary was walking all over Tampa but not scoring.

Yup, but that's still evidence that Calgary far from dominated the game.

quote: To look at a game, you look at the stats: Calgary shots on goal: 33 Tampa Bay shots on goal: 27 My math is fuzzy, which one of those numbers is higher?

5 shots ain't much to take home. They both played about the same if one relies upon shots for the hardworking team.

quote: Shouldn't the team that "consistently outplayed" the other team have more shots on goal?

Not always. Depends on the quality of the chances. Anybody can shoot on net from way out on the hope that the shot bounces in.

quote: Further, how can a team "consistently outplay" another if it had only 5 shots in the 2nd period, while Calgary had 13 -- and even numbers of shots in the 1st and 3rd.

Shots aren't the only measure of how well a team plays.

quote: Beautiful goals? The first one was a centering pass that Kipper accidentally swept with the backside of his stick, knocking it in. That is NOT a beautiful goal...

After about 2-3 previous chances to score earlier on that penalty.

quote: You're cheering for Tampa because Calgary eliminated Vancouver. It's obvious from your ridiculous posts how biased you are against Calgary.

If they can't bring home the bacon...

I've cheered for Calgary consistently throughout the playoffs, as Canada's team, after the Canucks were eliminated. I cheered for them over Montreal and Toronto. I will be cheering for them tonight.

It doesn't stop me from tearing a strip off them for losing game 6.

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quote: Originally posted by cinch Wow, does Tampa have a porn star singing the national anthems? Classy.

Nah... just Hulk Hogan's daughter.

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quote: Ben knows about as much about hockey as he does about anything else...

Thanks for the compliment Krazy.

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1-0 Tampa Bay.

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Not a good period for the Flames; Iginla hasn't stepped it up and they can't get anything toward the slot area off the forecheck. If they don't stop with the defensive breakdowns, it's going to be 2-0 before long and that'll be all she wrote.

Need to get a goal on this power play and even it up early in the second. They couldn't convert on the PP in game 6 and it cost them; there's no more games to make up for failing to do it tonight.

EDIT: ****. 2-0. It's done. Tampa's playing such air-tight defence that there's no way Calgary's coming back.

****.

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