27-05-2004 22:35									#121
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If it gets much more complicated we might as well be playing a PBEM game of MOO2.

	27-05-2004 22:37									#122
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quote: And please Jam, don't ignore my questions. Can I stockpile shield generators? And another question. What if my defensive fleet was obliterated, but I sent some ships attacking and they were victorious. Do I still lose all of my bases or just one?

Sorry, I missed one. I thought I answered them all.

No, you can't stockpile shield generators.
You would lose all your original and previously captured bases, I guess, but keep the one(s) you just captured. Of course you wouldn't even be able to build a Frigate then untill you built some new bases. Your hull size limit would be zero. You would basicially be screwed, but not dead.

Spaced, you have no mercy.

-Jam

	27-05-2004 22:49									#123
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It would probably be better if weapons were weighted. For example, fighters were worth 3 torps, torps were worth 3 lasers, etc. (Note, I didn't check these to make sure the scissors paper rock system held). Quality should count, but 1 laser defeating 500 torpedos? I don't think so.

	27-05-2004 22:51									#124
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Let's try not to make this too complex. It is after all text based.

Right now there are 6 possible OoBs. For any given battle, there is the following chances:
1/3: Total destruction of one fleet or the other (ie Smiley vs UR)
1/6: Stalemate
1/2: Moderate damage to both sides (ie Doc vs Duke)

The best solution is to introduce a fourth weapon. We'll call the weapons, A,B,C,and D for simplicity. A stalemates with A, A beats B, A stalemates with C, A gets pwned by D. Then there will be 24 possible OoBs, with the following outcomes:
1/12: Total destruction of one fleet or the other.
(ABCD vs BCDA, DABC)
1/24: Stalemate
(ABCD vs ABCD)

Rest: Damage of varying sizes inflicted.

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We should also consider effects on game length though. Keeping casualties low could lead to very long games.

	27-05-2004 22:55									#125
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Skanky has hit gold

Instead of automatically beating, the value could be multiplied!

Lasers are x3 vs Fighters
Fighters are x3 vs Torpedoes
Torpedoes are x3 vs Lasers

Its the same game, but with less damage dealt, and less chance of crazy results.

-Jam

	27-05-2004 22:56									#126
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Hooray!

	27-05-2004 22:56									#127
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quote: Right now there are 6 possible OoBs. For any given battle, there is the following chances: 1/3: Total destruction of one fleet or the other (ie Smiley vs UR) 1/6: Stalemate 1/2: Moderate damage to both sides (ie Doc vs Duke)

Umm... no. Only if the fleets are exactly evenly matched.

-Jam

	27-05-2004 23:16									#128
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True, but a 33% chance of complete destruction with matched teams is a bit strange. But let's keep plugging away and change some stuff later, maybe using Skanky's weighting.

	27-05-2004 23:23									#129
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to Skanky's idea.

	27-05-2004 23:37									#130
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Hey, I have orders from everyone now. I'm about to eat my tea, expect the update in an hour or so.

Talk amongst yourselves a while.

-Jam

	27-05-2004 23:40									#131
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So anyway, there I was with Billy Bob, and I says to him...

	27-05-2004 23:40									#132
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Eat your tea? Must be strong stuff.

	27-05-2004 23:52									#133
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Hey, I like Sknaky's idea too, but 3x seems too much, how about 2x.

	28-05-2004 00:07									#134
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* Skanky Burns hits Sapced with a fish.

	28-05-2004 00:55									#135
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Round 2

Battle of Deepspace 12: Ludd attacks Ljcvetko!

Ludd: (Laser-Fighter-Torpedo)
3 fighter battleships
2 torpedo battleships
1 laser battleship.

Ljcvetko : (Lasers-Torpedoes-Fighters)
1 carrier dreadnought
1 torpedo dreadnought
1 laser dreadnought
2 carrier battleships
2 torpedo battleships
2 laser battleships

Ludd took a chance attacking Ljcvetko's bases, and his chance failed to pay off. Out gunned in every catagory, he still seemed to be winning the battle after the opening exchanges until Ljcvetko's fighters carried the day for him, leaving only one damaged ship to limp home...

code:
Ludd     Ljcvetko
3 las    10 las   - Ludd takes 7 Hits
9 fig    10 torp  - Ljcvetko takes 9 Hits
6 torp   10 fig   - Ludd takes 10 Hits

Results:

Ludd takes 17 Hits destroying all his ships except 1 Torpedobattleship which limped away home damaged.

Ljcvetko takes 9 hits, destroying both Laserbattleships and one Torpedobattleship. He saves his base Deepspace12 from attack.

Battle of Enoch - Smiley attacks Ludd

Smiley: (Fighters-Lasers-Torpedoes)
4x Fighterbattleship
4x Laserbattleship
4x Torpedobattleship

Ludd: (Laser-Fighter-Torpedo)
1 Fighterbattleship
1 Torpedofrigate
1 Laserfrigate

...the ship limped home to Enoch, where it was blown up in dock as Smiley's rampaging fleet arrived in the system. The few defenders died bravely,shooting down the first wave of fighters but only managed to scratch one of Smiley's Battleships in return. Smiley's lasers were not so forgiving, and his torpedoes were overkill.

code:
Smiley    Ludd
12 fig    1 las   - Smiley takes 1 Hit
12 las    3 fig   - Ludd takes 12 Hits
12 torp   1 torp  - Ludd takes 11 Hits

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	28-05-2004 01:08									#136
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code:



Player Name

Bases

BPs
Total
Ships

Frigates(1)

Cruisers(2)

Battleships(3)

Dreadnaughts(4)

Titans(5)



Las

Fig

Torp

Las
Fig
Torp
Las
Fig
Torp
Las
Fig
Torp
Las
Fig
Torp


Duke
o'York

5

31

10

1

2

2

-

-

-

1

1

1

-

1

1

-

-

-




Smiley

3
(+9)

33

20

-

-

-

-

-

-

7

6(1)

6

-

-

-

-

-

-



Skanky
Burns

6

30

7

1

1

2

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

1

1

1



Trokair

5

25

7

-

-

-

-

-

-

3

1

1

-

1

1

-

-

-



Spaced
Cowboy

5

35

8

-

-

-

-

-

1

1

1

-

-

-

-

2

1

2



Ljcvetko

4

29

6

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

2

1

1

1

1

-

-

-



DrSpike

5

29

6

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

2

2

2

-

-

-



Vlad
Antlerkov

6

35

6

-

1

1

-

2

-

1

-

1

-

-

-

-

-

-

As promised, the full ship lists for each empire. I've hidden the info on shields and spies, of course. Now you won't have to ask me what ships you have

-Jam

	28-05-2004 01:15									#137
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Smiley.


You spite me at every turn.

	28-05-2004 01:16									#138
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How did Spaced get titans, considering he started the turn with 4 bases?

	28-05-2004 01:17									#139
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He started with 5.

He built no bases this turn. Compare the maps.

-Jam

	28-05-2004 01:18									#140
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I thought there was a limit to 5 built bases?

	28-05-2004 01:20									#141
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Sorry, my mistake. I must have missed his basecount when I checked it a few hours earlier. Base limit is 6.

	28-05-2004 01:20									#142
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Six. Says so in the rules, I said so in the discussion, I even just mentioned Skanky hitting the base limit. (Although I forgot to mention that Vlad did the same)

Edit: crosspost

-Jam

	28-05-2004 02:04									#143
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Well, Ludd, I offered the alliance...

	28-05-2004 02:46									#144
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Hehe, nice turn.

Not for GL obviously.

	28-05-2004 02:52									#145
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sent.

	28-05-2004 03:17									#146
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I support Skanky's idea but for the next game, of course.
I'll be sending my orders in the next few minutes.

By the way, my recent name change shouldn't confuse many of you. You can still address me by my former name, if you wish. The name change is for the sake of clarity only. Civ 2 people know me as Ljube, while you here know me as ljcvetko, so I wanted to preserve that.

	28-05-2004 03:20									#147
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That name change is awful. Change it back

	28-05-2004 03:32									#148
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Or at least give us instructions how to pronounce it

-Jam

	28-05-2004 03:41									#149
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With pleasure

The second part of my name (my former name) isn't meant to be pronounced at all. It's just an abbreviation of my full name Ljubisa Cvetkovic.

The first part of my name is my real life nick and is pronounced similarly to the way you would pronounce Lube.

	28-05-2004 03:44									#150
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Jamski, I was naming my ships for the sake of the story only to find out I lost a torpedo battleship and two laser battleships.