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Nov 2001
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Well, save your time, as no real answer is possible
Cause in the end, the imperial forces, supposedly elite warriors of an empire you claim has thousands of ships each capable of destroying world each was soundly beaten by a tiny force of rebels they KNEW were coming, and a bunch of stone age 3 foot tall Teddy Bears. And how the empire could not know the bears existed, I could not know, they must be blind, stupid, complacent, have crappy sensors, or all at the same time. Any of them make this empire a rather sad force.
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Feb 2001
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Fighting in a forest does not make it a guerrilla battle-there were pitched battles (which is the correct term) in forests in the US Civil War. Guerrilla warfare speaks of small bands of insurgents attacking small bands of regularly superior forces and wearing them down. |
i.e. what the Ewoks did, just on a short time scale. Notice how they were dying pretty consistantly until the ATST was captured and destroyed the others? Even though they blended into the forest (to a degree)? In fact, did we see a single Ewok manage to kill a stormtrooper (besides killing ATST's with logs)? All we saw was the Ewoks wearing the stormtroopers down.
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HELLO! Those were not forces form the legion, but other forces-garrison forces. The number of men was small-but of course, so was the tiny legion. |
How do you know?
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Why the hell would the Imperials expect a battle, especially one in which air support would be useful? They're in a jungle. |
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1. Why would the empire station and entire elite legion? They KNEW a batlte was coming-that is the point of the movie! |
They expected the Rebels to be captured. They didn't expect a big battle outside the generator (especially the back door). The legion was considered to be enough to handle a small Rebel strike team inside the generator.
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2. If this generator is so important, put some damned backup. |
As I mentioned, what use would air support be?
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How would higher power settings have changed it? |
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I don't know-bear hinds behind tree-tree get vaporized-bear has lost his coverage and shileding, bear dies. |
Did it look like there would have been more dead bears if it'd been bigger? The bears didn't win it, they just distracted the stormtroopers.
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THEY HAVE HOVERCRAFT!!!!! If some small farmer on a desert world can afford a hover vehicle, you would think the imperials could as well. |
So? Repulsors have their own set of disadvantages. And yes, they do have have vehicles that use repulsors, like snowspeeders and the Chariot LAV.
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The literature is bunk- mobility is part of a trinity-any design feature created for mobility that makes a huge and expsinve vehicle extremely vulnerable is a BAD trade-off. |
Expensive? They have fifty bazillion of them. Vulnerable? Did you notice how many ATAT's the Rebels took down using the tow cables? Do you think that could be applied on a mass scale (the Rogue Squadron games notwithstanding)? Considering it didn't even destroy the vehicle, I'd say that's not much of a vulnerability.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
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Originally posted by GePap
i.e. what the Ewoks did, just on a short time scale. Notice how they were dying pretty consistantly until the ATST was captured and destroyed the others? Even though they blended into the forest (to a degree)? In fact, did we see a single Ewok manage to kill a stormtrooper (besides killing ATST's with logs)? All we saw was the Ewoks wearing the stormtroopers down. |
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Yes, in fact we see the Ewoks take MANY stormtroopers out, either the ones of those stupid hoverbikes, or beating them down with stones and clubs-quibble over whether they are dead, but the guys are out of combat, which si the same thing. And again, they took out supposedly modern armor with wood-pathetic.
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They expected the Rebels to be captured. They didn't expect a big battle outside the generator (especially the back door). The legion was considered to be enough to handle a small Rebel strike team inside the generator. |
1. These guys are so anal as to need and entire LEGION to take out a small rebel band, yet not anal enough to have reconoitered the damned moon they will build this critical thing on?!
2. THESE ARE STONE AGE TROOPS!
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As I mentioned, what use would air support be? |
Yes, what use was air support in Vietnam?... I don't know, BLOWING UP ****! "Hello, I am at }give location", and I am under fire-can you attack X coordinate with bombs? Or are imperial weapons inca[pable of handling wood?
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Did it look like there would have been more dead bears if it'd been bigger? The bears didn't win it, they just distracted the stormtroopers. |
Oh, wait- so your excuse is that this was not a real victory, all they did was fully occupy an entire elite legion enough for about 20 guys , no, 3 people, destroy their prime bojective, and then by capturing one single AtST take the whole legion captive? RIGHTTTTT
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So? Repulsors have their own set of disadvantages. And yes, they do have have vehicles that use repulsors, like snowspeeders and the Chariot LAV. |
Yes, but they do not appear as severe as being so unstable in motion that YOU CAN SLIP ON A LOG! OR TRIP!
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Expensive? They have fifty bazillion of them. Vulnerable? Did you notice how many ATAT's the Rebels took down using the tow cables? Do you think that could be applied on a mass scale (the Rogue Squadron games notwithstanding)? Considering it didn't even destroy the vehicle, I'd say that's not much of a vulnerability. |
ONe man took out a vehicle-you say they have countless numbers of them-well, then maybe next time they will get them to the scene of battle, becuase it is concentration of forces that win-I saw only like 6 at Hoth. And yes, if a vehicle has such an obvious flaw, enemies will catch on and make easy game of them.
At best you can say that people in the SW universe are morons when it comes to fighting war-but of course, why should we be surprised?
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of Schmooism
Feb 2001
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Originally posted by GePap
Yes, in fact we see the Ewoks take MANY stormtroopers out, either the ones of those stupid hoverbikes, or beating them down with stones and clubs-quibble over whether they are dead, but the guys are out of combat, which si the same thing. And again, they took out supposedly modern armor with wood-pathetic. |
1) the hoverbike doesn't count - that was obviously pure chance
2) when did you see the guys go "out of combat"? All I saw them do was duck and try and shield their head.
3) they never took out the armor - but armor can only dissipate physical force over a larger surface area, not negate it altogether
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They expected the Rebels to be captured. They didn't expect a big battle outside the generator (especially the back door). The legion was considered to be enough to handle a small Rebel strike team inside the generator. |
[a]1. These guys are so anal as to need and entire LEGION to take out a small rebel band, yet not anal enough to have reconoitered the damned moon they will build this critical thing on?![/q]
How do you know how big a legion is? Moreover, it appeared that most of the troops and heavy weapons were concentrated around the landing platform and the main entrance.
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Who don't seem to have killed a single stormtrooper (again, we're not talking about the bikes or the ATSTs' death-by-log)
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As I mentioned, what use would air support be? |
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Yes, what use was air support in Vietnam?... I don't know, BLOWING UP ****! "Hello, I am at }give location", and I am under fire-can you attack X coordinate with bombs? Or are imperial weapons inca[pable of handling wood? |
Yep, people love to call in airstrikes on enemies no more than twenty meters away. Plus, the bombers would have to fly over the jungle, making friendly fire even MORE likely.
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Did it look like there would have been more dead bears if it'd been bigger? The bears didn't win it, they just distracted the stormtroopers. |
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Oh, wait- so your excuse is that this was not a real victory, all they did was fully occupy an entire elite legion enough for about 20 guys , no, 3 people, destroy their prime bojective, and then by capturing one single AtST take the whole legion captive? RIGHTTTTT |
 that was about as coherent as one of CBH's posts...
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Yes, but they do not appear as severe as being so unstable in motion that YOU CAN SLIP ON A LOG! OR TRIP! |
How often do you think ATSTs encounter neatly stacked logs like that? The Empire generally doesn't need vehicles like that...
... and considering that the Federation and the Borg don't seem to HAVE any assault vehicles, there's no contest anyway.
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ONe man took out a vehicle |
You mean Luke? Why would conventional Imperial ground forces be specially equipped to defend against Jedi, considering that they're virtually all dead?
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-you say they have countless numbers of them-well, then maybe next time they will get them to the scene of battle, becuase it is concentration of forces that win-I saw only like 6 at Hoth. And yes, if a vehicle has such an obvious flaw, enemies will catch on and make easy game of them. |
The six at Hoth were not even near the full complement of one ISD. The Empire has 25,000 ISD's. They didn't need more forces - they completely overwhelmed the Rebels as it was. And that vulnerability was one that was virtually impossible to exploit (the airspeeder was piloted by one of the best pilots in the galaxy).
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Nov 2001
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1) the hoverbike doesn't count - that was obviously pure chance |
Oh, of course....
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2) when did you see the guys go "out of combat"? All I saw them do was duck and try and shield their head. |
Then watch the movie again0the guys are beaten down-if they are shielding their heads, tehy can't be doing anything else, now can they?
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3) they never took out the armor - but armor can only dissipate physical force over a larger surface area, not negate it altogether |
They squashed the cab-that is what I see as taking the armor out-was the vehicle fighting afterwards? If no, it was OUT.
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How do you know how big a legion is? Moreover, it appeared that most of the troops and heavy weapons were concentrated around the landing platform and the main entrance. |
Ahh, so their coordination sucks eggs if they could not get more troops there in time..... Oh, and what about sationing troops INSIDE! That might help, NO?
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Who don't seem to have killed a single stormtrooper (again, we're not talking about the bikes or the ATSTs' death-by-log) |
Watch the movie again. It is obvious.
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As I mentioned, what use would air support be? |
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Yep, people love to call in airstrikes on enemies no more than twenty meters away. Plus, the bombers would have to fly over the jungle, making friendly fire even MORE likely. |
SO? This is the empire, so they would not care about friendly fire, now would they?
Second, you would think they could accurately target stuff better than today, NO?
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that was about as coherent as one of CBH's posts... |
No, it was simple- you claim "this was not a victory, they just were a distraction", well, it seems they were a rather huge one if a tiny band of rebels was then able to take out the generator-thought I would atribute that to general imperial stupidity, like not posting guards INSIDE!, and poor troop handling, like not being able to bring in heavy reinforcements form the other entrace.
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How often do you think ATSTs encounter neatly stacked logs like that? The Empire generally doesn't need vehicles like that... |
Nice dodge.
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... and considering that the Federation and the Borg don't seem to HAVE any assault vehicles, there's no contest anyway. |
Why would you need them if infantry weapons are powerful enough?
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You mean Luke? Why would conventional Imperial ground forces be specially equipped to defend against Jedi, considering that they're virtually all dead? |
Right, cause he used all his Jedi powers......like getting pulled up by rope and stuff-give me a break.
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The six at Hoth were not even near the full complement of one ISD. The Empire has 25,000 ISD's. They didn't need more forces - they completely overwhelmed the Rebels as it was. And that vulnerability was one that was virtually impossible to exploit (the airspeeder was piloted by one of the best pilots in the galaxy). |
All you prove is that the rebels are even more pathetic than the empire, and yet they WIN! So, no, empire warfighting tactics are crap all around-but then, this was staged by Lucas, who's knowledge of decent tactics probalby is equal to his knowledge of Linear B.
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Feb 2001
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Then watch the movie again0the guys are beaten down-if they are shielding their heads, tehy can't be doing anything else, now can they? |
Until they get AWAY from the rocks.
Seriously, being directly under a bunch of furry things throwing rocks at your head isn't somehow a weakness of stormtroopers; anyone in that situation would kinda be stuck.
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3) they never took out the armor - but armor can only dissipate physical force over a larger surface area, not negate it altogether |
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They squashed the cab-that is what I see as taking the armor out-was the vehicle fighting afterwards? If no, it was OUT. |
Oh, the ATST? Here:
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Given that the SCOUT walker is supposed to be the Imperial equivalent of the HUMVEE, this is not too surprising. The BIG walker -- the AT-AT -- would almost certainly have not been damaged anywhere near as badly by the trees. Trekkies seem to think that the AT-ST and AT-AT walker are true tanks. Neither are tanks- they are armored personnel carriers. I can't believe this is so difficult to understand. Don't they know what the term "all-terrain armored TRANSPORT" means?
As for the AT-ST's shell being collapsed, it is obviously very thin armor. Anyone with even a VAGUE familiarity with column buckling and bending movement formulas knows that a thin shell will easily collapse under the influence of a large impact like that, even if it is made from the strongest material known to modern science, multiplied in strength by an order of magnitude. That armour could have made from materials far superior to anything known to man, and still buckle easily under those conditions.
Estimating that the tree was 100 feet long by 15 feet wide (which, given the size of the tree we saw, is probably UNDER-estimating it), plus the mathematical formula for the volume of a cylinder gives us the volume of the tree. The density of redwood is 26 lbs/cubic foot. So, if we have approximate volume of tree and density, we have the mass.
The tree's MASS is over 200,000 kilograms. The tree's velocity was QUITE FAST at the end of its arc. Using the density of redwood, we get a tree that weighs over 200 metric tons.
200 metric tons of mass moving at anywhere NEAR 10 meters/second... or even just 3 meters/second has a kinetic energy measured in MEGAJOULES. |
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Ahh, so their coordination sucks eggs if they could not get more troops there in time..... Oh, and what about sationing troops INSIDE! That might help, NO? |
They did. Didn't you notice how Han got caught the first time?
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As I mentioned, what use would air support be? |
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Yep, people love to call in airstrikes on enemies no more than twenty meters away. Plus, the bombers would have to fly over the jungle, making friendly fire even MORE likely. |
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SO? This is the empire, so they would not care about friendly fire, now would they? |
Yes, they would. Especially considering that you can't ever be sure of killing everything through aerial bombardment, so you'd need ground forces to mop up.
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Second, you would think they could accurately target stuff better than today, NO? |
Through dense foliage, against bears?
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that was about as coherent as one of CBH's posts... |
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No, it was simple- you claim "this was not a victory, they just were a distraction", |
No, I claim the bears didn't actually kill stormtroopers (with the same disclaimer as before), that the bears were a distraction for the actions of the Rebel commandos.
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well, it seems they were a rather huge one if a tiny band of rebels was then able to take out the generator-thought I would atribute that to general imperial stupidity, like not posting guards INSIDE!, and poor troop handling, like not being able to bring in heavy reinforcements form the other entrace. |
Addressed above.
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How often do you think ATSTs encounter neatly stacked logs like that? The Empire generally doesn't need vehicles like that... |
i.e. rebuttal?
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... and considering that the Federation and the Borg don't seem to HAVE any assault vehicles, there's no contest anyway. |
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Why would you need them if infantry weapons are powerful enough? |
Against ATAT's? The best Federation infantry weapons don't appear to have an effective range of more than two hundred meters or so... compare this to over ten kilometers in an ATAT.
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Right, cause he used all his Jedi powers......like getting pulled up by rope and stuff-give me a break. |
Like a lightsaber.
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All you prove is that the rebels are even more pathetic than the empire, and yet they WIN! So, no, empire warfighting tactics are crap all around-but then, this was staged by Lucas, who's knowledge of decent tactics probalby is equal to his knowledge of Linear B. |
The Rebels did not win the battle. They didn't even achieve their goals - they lost a lot of people.
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Cause in the end, the imperial forces, supposedly elite warriors of an empire you claim has thousands of ships each capable of destroying world each |
It takes "at least a 1000 starships" to destroy a world, in the SW universe.
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Do you have any evidence of a phaser being able to automatically annihilate any sized organic mass? Wouldn't species 8472 be pretty easy to kill, then? |
Species 8472 wasn't your ordinary organic species. They came from another dimension, and their moloculor was completely different. Hence, the Borg couldn't assimilate them. Hence, phasers couldn't vaporise them.
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Blasters on low power |
Proof? And if it is so, why on earth didn't they increase the yield? In ST, they usually increase the yield after the first shot appears to be inneffective. However, Storm Troopers apparantly don't think of it. Or wait...maybe the Blasters don't even have a higher power setting. After all, we have never seen them use a blaster on a higher setting.
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and considering that the Federation and the Borg don't seem to HAVE any assault vehicles, there's no contest anyway. |
They don't need to. As we have seen in various eps, the Borg use orbital bombardement to weaken an enemy and then use transporters to move up right behind them and assimilate them. This is FAR more effective than using slow moving vehicles. Transporter owns Imperial Walkers. Drones own Storm Troopers. Contest over!
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The Empire has 25,000 ISD's |
That's all? The Borg have many more Cubes than the Empire has ISD's it seems!
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Puerile Polemic
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Kuciwalker
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Feb 2001
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It takes "at least a 1000 starships" to destroy a world, in the SW universe. |
What's your point? The federation hasn't EVER.
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Species 8472 wasn't your ordinary organic species. They came from another dimension, and their moloculor was completely different. Hence, the Borg couldn't assimilate them. Hence, phasers couldn't vaporise them. |
Occam's razor - the simplest explanation is that phaserfire can't destroy an INFINITE amount of biomatter.
Proof? And if it is so, why on earth didn't they increase the yield? In ST, they usually increase the yield after the first shot appears to be inneffective. However, Storm Troopers apparantly don't think of it. Or wait...maybe the Blasters don't even have a higher power setting. After all, we have never seen them use a blaster on a higher setting.
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They don't need to. As we have seen in various eps, the Borg use orbital bombardement to weaken an enemy |
Did you notice how much damage the torpedo fired by the sphere in FC did? A B-52 could do as much damage.
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and then use transporters to move up right behind them and assimilate them. This is FAR more effective than using slow moving vehicles. Transporter owns Imperial Walkers. Drones own Storm Troopers. Contest over! |
We have NEVER seen the Borg transport into combat... and transporters are extremely unreliable anyway:
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Quote: Season 1, Ep# 19: "Coming of Age"
PICARD: Lock off the bay launch doors.
WORF: Too late, sir. He's using the flight emergency override...
GEORDI: Smart kid.
TASHA: He's launching!
PICARD: Enterprise to shuttlecraft. Mister Kurland.
JAKE: Captain Picard. I'm going to Beltane Nine to sign onto a freighter.
Tell my father I'm sorry.
PICARD: Tell him in person. Bring the ship back. Now.
JAKE: No. I can't face him. I'm leaving.
(he somehow stalls his engines)
JAKE: I've lost power!
RIKER: All he's got left are his maneuvering jets.
GEORDI: At that trajectory, he'll hit the atmosphere and melt at two hundred kilometers.
PICARD: Probable impact?
DATA: Atmospheric entry... seventy-eight seconds.
PICARD: Options?
TASHA: He's out of transporter range.
WORF: Tractor beam?
RIKER: Won't work. He's too far away for a positive lock.
Analysis: Jake is out of transport range. This range limitation seems very confusing. They were able to transport Wesley to and from the planet's surface, but they can't transport Jake off a shuttle which is between the Enterprise and the planet!
This seems like a hopeless conundrum until you consider the fact that Jake is in a spacecraft rather than a planet. Moving vehicles seem to present more problems for transporters than planetary surfaces (which, although technically in motion, are very predictable)
Simple English: Its harder to beam someone off a ship that is moving (a.ka. Death Star) than to get them off a planet.
Season 1, Ep# 23: "Symbiosis"
WESLEY: Captain, deflectors are being hit by a huge burst of X- rays (bridge panels begin to short out) ... Sir, my console seems to be overloading. WORF: The X-ray burst is disrupting systems, Captain. I'm adjusting deflectors to compensate.
DATA: Captain, our sensors are being severely affected by the sun flares.
TASHA: The solar flares are interfering with the tractor beam, Captain. I am unable to lock on.
RIKER: I'll beam over with a team.
TASHA: Captain -- I strongly recommend against anyone from this ship beaming over. The solar interference is too great.
TASHA: Have them go to their own Transporter Room. It will be tricky, but perhaps I can link the two transporters in series and get them over with the increased power.
TASHA: Reading six life forms... but I can't get a solid lock.
RIKER: We've no choice. Energize.(four people materialize)
RIKER: You said six; where are the other two?
Analysis: Transporters: An X-ray burst from the solar flare interferes with transporters; an interaction which proves to be deadly. Even with a send/receive connection betwen the two ships' transporters, only four of six survive the trip. Furthermore, this occurs when the Enterprise is in order around the fourth planet, where the intensity of solar radiation, flare or no flare, simply cannot be that high.
Simple English: Mid-level X-ray radiation is enough to interfere with ST transporters.
Season 3, Ep# 49: "Ensigns of Command"
WORF: Human life form readings from the planet.
RIKER: So, the Sheliak weren't hallucinating.
PICARD: Numbers?
WORF: Impossible to get an accurate reading, Captain. The high radiation levels are disrupting our sensors.
DATA: Hyperonic radiation also interferes with ship's transporters; they are now inoperable.
WORF: So are the ship's phasers.
RIKER: How can humans survive down there?
BEVERLY: They must have found a way to adapt. Milan's work in radiation sensitivity suggests it's possible. Perhaps with extensive virotherapy ... Until they found the answer, their mortality rate must have been staggering.
Analysis: Transporters are disrupted by the naturally occurring "hyperonic radiation".
Simple English: The planet could support human life and no matter what someone might tell you basic biology dicates that this radiation is incredibly weak.
Season 3, Ep# 60: "The High Ground"
GEORDI: Explosive charge on the main warp chamber...
PICARD: Transporter room three, lock on the explosive device and energize.
ENGINEER: It's scrambling the sensors, Captain... I can't pinpoint it.
Analysis:
Transporters: the bomb couldn't be transported because the sensors couldn't pick it up, even though we could see it perfectly. Geordi had to slap his communicator onto it and then have the transporter chief lock onto the comm badge signal.
Simple English: They can't even lock on to a bomb on their own SHIP's reactor. How do you think they will fare trying to beam it in near a power source a dozen orders of magnitude more energetic?
Season 4, Ep# 80: "Legacy"
RIKER: O'Brien! Lock onto Ishara and get her out of here! O'BRIEN: There's a transformer substation directly above the chamber she just entered. It's masking her signal
Analysis: Transporters: the electromagnetic fields generated by an ordinary transformer can block transporter locks. My front-channel power amplifier has a big 1.5 kVA transformer in it; from the sounds of it, that means I could avoid transport by simply staying next to it.
Simple English: Low-power EM fields can screw with transportation.
Season 4, Ep# 80: "Legacy"
(after getting the relay to the myographic scanner working) GEORDI: They've been moved so far underground that it took awhile to pinpoint their signatures. The men are here (pointing to spot on map). Next to one of the Alliance headquarters. And that's about two kilometers of solid granite above them. RIKER: So much for the transporter.
Analysis: Transporters: they can't go through two kilometres of solid granite. Interestingly enough, they have transported through as many as two kilometres of dirt and rock on other occasions, so this indicates that the limitation may be one of density. Of course, if the marginally higher density of granite makes transport impossible when compared to "normal" rock, then it stands to reason that heavy metal would present an even greater difficulty.
Simple English: They can't get through 2 Km of granite. How are they going to fare against 40-80 Km of durasteel.
Season 4, Ep# 83: "Final Mission"
RIKER: Any life signs?
DATA: It is impossible to determine. The magnetic flux would mask any bio-energy emanations.
RIKER: Mister Worf, will that interference affect the Transporter Beam?
WORF: Yes, Commander. An Away Team would have to take a shuttlecraft.
Analysis: Transporters: they can't transport through the natural magnetic field of an inhabitable moon.
Simple English: Normal magnetic fields around a planetoid screw up the transporters again.
Season 5, Ep# 111: "Hero Worship"
PICARD: Transporter room one, can you lock onto him? And transport directly to sickbay?
HUTCHINSON: I'll try, Captain ... but there's a lot of shielding to pull him through.
HUTCHINSON: The lock is holding. I just can't resolve the matter stream. Not with all that victurium alloy in the way ... Commander Riker. You'll have to get him out into the corridor.
Analysis/Simple English: Transporters: they can't transport through "victurium" alloy. Its an alloy, a simple metal mixture and they can't transport through it.
Season 6, Ep# 131: "Schisms"
GEORDI: We've set up a containment field in Cargo Bay Four. But the rupture just keeps expanding. I'd say we've got another five or six hours before it breaches the hull.
PICARD: Can we still beam the affected sections into space? DATA: No sir. The spatial rupture is creating severe nucleonic interference. It is impossible to obtain a positive lock on the bulkheads.
Analysis: Transporters: transporters can't be used in the presence of "nucleonic interference". Since we can generate nucleonic radiation today (and it's a natural byproduct of nuclear fusion and fission reactions), this means that transporters are ineffective in the presence of a lightly shielded nuclear fission or fusion reactor.
We saw how even a well-shielded nuclear reactor aboard the 20th century USS Enterprise could interfere with sensors, communications, phasers and transporters in ST4; this is merely another example of that well- established trend.
Simple English: A modern or near future fission or fusion reactor would be enough to block ST transporters from working.
Season 6, Ep# 132: "True Q"
AMANDA: Why are you taking everything down in shuttlecraft?
GEORDI: We can't use the transporters because of all the ionization in the Tagran atmosphere.
Analysis: Transporters: an unusually large concentration of ions in the atmosphere of an inhabitable planet can make transporters useless.
Simple English: There is only so much radiation a livable planet can have...and it blocks transport.
Season 6, Ep# 148: "Suspicions"
PICARD: Mister Worf, can we beam him out of there? WORF: The solar radiation is interfering... he must be at least five- hundred thousand kilometers from the star before we can get a transporter lock.
Analysis/Simple English: Transporters: they can't beam Jo'bril out of his shuttle because of the solar radiation. This means that mundane electromagnetic radiation can block transporters.
Season 7, Ep# 160: "Attached"
DATA: There is nothing wrong with the Transporter. I have run a complete diagnostic and checked all the targeting components.
RIKER: Then what happened to the Captain and Doctor Crusher?
WORF: Commander. The Transporter sensor log shows an unusual concentration of antigraviton particles in the emitter coil. These particles do not occur naturally -- something must have interfered with the Transporter.
RIKER: Interfered?
DATA: A concentration of antigraviton particles would suggest a tractor beam. It might have deflected the Transporter beam to a different set of coordinates.
Analysis/Simple English: Transporters: they can be deflected, misdirected, and otherwise manipulated by tractor beams! |
Simple english: transporters are virtually worthless in a combat situation. How would the Borg even bring down planetary shields?
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Source?
They must be pretty f***ing stupid then, if they send them one at a time against the Federation. What marvelous abilities of adaptation they have!
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