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Could Teddy Ruxpin take an Ewok?

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Rupskin, not Ruxpin

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Rupskin, not Ruxpin


Wow. How did they miss that typo? All these years the Teddy Rupskin people have been wrong.

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Besides which, the SW blasters fire plasma, which we know the Borg can't defend against


The Borg can adapt to Disruptors, so why not Blasters? It's basically the same thing!

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E-Webs and AT-ST's, anyone


You're forgetting Borg transporter technology. And judging from TESB, Imperial Walkers don't have much for shields (since Luke had no problem climbing up to one and opening it). And The Empire's infanfantry weaponry is a lot weaker than anything we've seen in ST, so the Borg would have a field day.

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The Borg can adapt to Disruptors, so why not Blasters? It's basically the same thing!
The weapons they use are lasers anyway.

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Of course it was guerilla warfare - what did it look like to you?


An open battle-the imperials could see the bears-that should have been enough-besides, an entire legion was already there assembled.

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In case you didn't, there was a space battle going on, so they couldn't exactly lower the Death Star shield.


Then F to the imperials for being stupid enough not to station airpower on the surface, like the rebels did in Hoth.

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Why would they bother to set their blasters to full power, if a much lower setting is enough?


Becuase maybe then they would not have gotten their ass wipped by a bunch of stone age bears-see, that is the thing-the ewoks were stone age fighters- I am sorry, but any army that looses to a stone age force when it has supposedly elite forces concentrated in a small area is a pityfull force.


And as for Hoth-the empire gets another F for moronic vehicle design.

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well, the Borg certain won't have much trouble defending against that!

In ground combat, Borg will kick Storm Trooper ass. No question. And Jem'hadar will kick Storm Trooper ass as well.

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I guess you never read the SW Comic that show a Stormtrooper patrol out looking for a missing unit, and finding the patrol's heads on pikes.

The Ewoks are vicious little bastards. And they weren't even winning until Chewie took over said AT-ST and blew up other AT-STs and blasting the Imperial troops.

Go re-watch. There is a definate correlation bewteen the two.

Plus, let's not forget when Palpatine got whacked and, according to Grand Admiral Thrawn in Heir to the Empire it caused a massive detrimintal effect to the fighting quality of the Imperial Troops.


First of all, while the battle "turns" after Chewie takes the AT-ST. the bears take out 2 AT-ST's with logs, while Chewie takes out only one.

NOw, why does an Elite legion have only 4 or 5 At-ST's, specially if their armor is so pityfull that two logs thrown from each side can squash the armor like an aluminum can? Oh, and what happened with the AT-AT we see a few scene before? Imperial coordination must suck eggs if they could not bring it into battle.

Then take their piss poor tactics-oh my, attacked by stone age bears 3 feet tall they rush INTO the forest, as opposed to, I don't know, staying in the clearing and laying waste to the nearby forest with their firepower. Supposedly according to Kuchinich, blasters are as strong as phasers-well, phasers on full power owuld have had no problem laying waste to a fair cordon around the clearing, creating a nice safe kill zone and protecting the power generator.

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In ST, as Riker said, one phaser can clear out an entire regiment of 19th century infantrymen. However, in SW, an entire legion can't beat Stone Age infantrymen. I bet even Wesley Crusher can beat The Empire!

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AT-ATs can't be that heavy or they'll sink. It's physics.

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The Borg can adapt to Disruptors, so why not Blasters? It's basically the same thing!


Disrupters fire some sort of energy beam. Blasters, as I mentioned in the post you responded to, fire plasma. The Borg clearly cannot shield against plasma, because a) plasma is a physical weapon and the Borg have no KE shielding and b) the Borg Queen in FC died of plasma exposure.

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You're forgetting Borg transporter technology. And judging from TESB, Imperial Walkers don't have much for shields (since Luke had no problem climbing up to one and opening it).


The Borg have never used the transporter for combat - why would they start now? They're obviously too stupid.

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And The Empire's infanfantry weaponry is a lot weaker than anything we've seen in ST, so the Borg would have a field day.


This is just plain false, and I've addressed it. Do you have to keep repeating the same idiocy over and over?

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AT-ATs can't be that heavy or they'll sink. It's physics.


Don't the all so mighty imperials have alloy technologies capable of making light armor and not use aluminum sidding?

I am sorry, but if that is the case, what is the point of At-ST's? Cause I am sorry, tow logs with that kinetic energy pack less of a punch than a concentrated blast of energy form the likes of a blaster-unless blasters are pathetically weak.

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Originally posted by GePap
An open battle-the imperials could see the bears


They were all over the forest.

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-that should have been enough-besides, an entire legion was already there assembled.


Obviously it wasn't, if there were reinforcements for the base to send out when Solo called.

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Then F to the imperials for being stupid enough not to station airpower on the surface, like the rebels did in Hoth.


Why the hell would the Imperials expect a battle, especially one in which air support would be useful? They're in a jungle.

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Becuase maybe then they would not have gotten their ass wipped by a bunch of stone age bears-see, that is the thing-the ewoks were stone age fighters- I am sorry, but any army that looses to a stone age force when it has supposedly elite forces concentrated in a small area is a pityfull force.


How would higher power settings have changed it?

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And as for Hoth-the empire gets another F for moronic vehicle design.


Actually, no, according to the literature the legs actually make it able to traverse more varied terrain than wheeled or tracked vehicles. Plus, it's just a glorified APC.

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In ST, as Riker said, one phaser can clear out an entire regiment of 19th century infantrymen. However, in SW, an entire legion can't beat Stone Age infantrymen. I bet even Wesley Crusher can beat The Empire!


Actual power statistics for a phaser would show this is ridiculously false (and I'd say actual observations of phasers hitting things trumps some boast from Riker).

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Then take their piss poor tactics-oh my, attacked by stone age bears 3 feet tall they rush INTO the forest, as opposed to, I don't know, staying in the clearing and laying waste to the nearby forest with their firepower. Supposedly according to Kuchinich, blasters are as strong as phasers-well, phasers on full power owuld have had no problem laying waste to a fair cordon around the clearing, creating a nice safe kill zone and protecting the power generator.


How so? Hand phasers never seem to be that powerful...

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The wonders of ST hand phasers...

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Disrupters fire some sort of energy beam.


they don't. watch any episode...disruptors aren't beams.

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The Borg clearly cannot shield against plasma


Course it can! Plasma rifles are employed by numerous species in ST and all have been assimilated.

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The Borg have never used the transporter for combat - why would they start now? They're obviously too stupid.


They can beam their drones anywhere. Inside enemy ships, inside Imperial Walkers, right behind the Storm Troopers lines, etc. The Troopers won't know what hit them.

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This is just plain false, and I've addressed it. Do you have to keep repeating the same idiocy over and over?


You haven't adressed this to anyone's satisfaction even once. Fact is, Blasters are puny. And the other weapons are too slow and cumbursome to be used against adversaries who can beam in and out at will.

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They were all over the forest.


Fighting in a forest does not make it a guerrilla battle-there were pitched battles (which is the correct term) in forests in the US Civil War. Guerrilla warfare speaks of small bands of insurgents attacking small bands of regularly superior forces and wearing them down. This was not that, but a pitched battle between stone age 3 foot tall bears and an elite legion.

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Obviously it wasn't, if there were reinforcements for the base to send out when Solo called.


HELLO! Those were not forces form the legion, but other forces-garrison forces. The number of men was small-but of course, so was the tiny legion.

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Why the hell would the Imperials expect a battle, especially one in which air support would be useful? They're in a jungle.


1. Why would the empire station and entire elite legion? They KNEW a batlte was coming-that is the point of the movie!
2. If this generator is so important, put some damned backup.

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How would higher power settings have changed it?


I don't know-bear hinds behind tree-tree get vaporized-bear has lost his coverage and shileding, bear dies.

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Actually, no, according to the literature the legs actually make it able to traverse more varied terrain than wheeled or tracked vehicles. Plus, it's just a glorified APC.


THEY HAVE HOVERCRAFT!!!!! If some small farmer on a desert world can afford a hover vehicle, you would think the imperials could as well.

The literature is bunk- mobility is part of a trinity-any design feature created for mobility that makes a huge and expsinve vehicle extremely vulnerable is a BAD trade-off.

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How so? Hand phasers never seem to be that powerful...




They can VAPORISE matter in one blast! How much more powerful do you want them to be?!?!

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The wonders of ST hand phasers...
Personally, I'm more likely to trust the fictional numbers in a ST tech manual than a Star Wars nerd site.

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Actual power statistics for a phaser would show this is ridiculously false (and I'd say actual observations of phasers hitting things trumps some boast from Riker).


Hardly. Janeway managed to stun an entire group of people with ONE(!!!!) shot in a Voy ep. Again, ST phasers clearly outperform SW blasters.

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Hardly. Janeway managed to stun an entire group of people with ONE(!!!!) shot in a Voy ep. Again, ST phasers clearly outperform SW blasters.


Stunned. I.e., low power, wide-beam shot.

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Personally, I'm more likely to trust the fictional numbers in a ST tech manual than a Star Wars nerd site.


It doesn't even get into numbers - it talks mostly about weapon design (and how ST phasers are possibly the worst possible design for a gun you actually want to hit stuff with).

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They can VAPORISE matter in one blast! How much more powerful do you want them to be?!?!


Actually, they can't vaporise them. A phaser disrupts the "nuclear binding forces" and creates chain reaction effect, causing more damage to matter than from the actual energy of the beam. Consequently, their effectiveness is largely dependent upon the material being hit with the phaser, and they derive none of this additional power when attacking shields. (As a side note, even if Borg soldiers could shield against blasterfire, it would be far more effective than phasers against the Borg because blasterfire does damage through the energy of the shot and is thus not material-dependent).

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All sci-fi weapons suck. When you seem them on TV or movies you realize that a good old fashoined M-16 assault rife would be more effective.

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That's the conclusion the people behind Stargate came to.

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They got thier asses handed to them on a platter by teddy bears.



Thankfully most of the ewoks died in the resulting holocust when the debris of the unfinished death star reigned down on the forest moon and destroyed their ecosystem.

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Actually, they can't vaporise them. A phaser disrupts the "nuclear binding forces" and creates chain reaction effect, causing more damage to matter than from the actual energy of the beam. Consequently, their effectiveness is largely dependent upon the material being hit with the phaser, and they derive none of this additional power when attacking shields. (As a side note, even if Borg soldiers could shield against blasterfire, it would be far more effective than phasers against the Borg because blasterfire does damage through the energy of the shot and is thus not material-dependent).


1. Given that Imperial Armor is made of plastic and aluminum, I don't think this would not be much of a problem.
2. Blasters can;t do much against freaking WOOD! For gods sake, the imperial forces could not even create any shrapnel! At least phasers would have destroyed all the organic materials artound, hence leveling the forest, hence vaporizing the stone age 3 foot tall teddy bears.

 
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