27-05-2004 21:30									#31
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I think the show had a great premise, but they kinda got away from it. Its falling into the typical Star Trek mold. Except its like September 11 Star Trek.

Interesting to point out paralells to our current world, but beyond that.... cliche stuff.

	27-05-2004 21:48									#32
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quote: Originally posted by joncha I liked it. And anyone who complains about Nazis and/or time travel must not be a fan of the original show.

Time travel and nazi's have been done to death. I like the idea of a retrofuture. That's a little fresher don't ya think.

	27-05-2004 22:01									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed rogan josh, i'll pretend you didn't say that. particularly because tng didn't cannibalize itself for show ideas and because it didn't **** up too much with the chronology.

Hey Q-Cube, can you name some of those timeline inconsistences? I always hear that but I can't find any. I mean Christ, let's get some answers here, people.

	27-05-2004 22:35									#34
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1 inconsistency:
in ST:TNG episode s1e10 "The Battle", it is established that Capt. Jean-Luc Picard made first contact with the Ferengi at the Battle of Maxia Zeta aboard the USS Stargazer in 2355.
however, in Enterprise epsiode s1e19 "The Acquisition", the Ferengi attempt to get control of the USS Enterprise NX-01.

	27-05-2004 22:36									#35
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Having gone straight to posting without reading any previous comments, let me just say what a terrible, horrible abomination that Star Trek Enterprise is. May it quickly consume itself and free us of its horrid existence before it destroys the entire franchise.

	27-05-2004 22:36									#36
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granted, chronology with star trek is like trying to maintain consistency with any comic book series, but please, people, we don't need something to be that... inconsistent.

	27-05-2004 22:45									#37
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ST:TNG episode s2e16 "Q Who?" establishes first contact with the Borg. This is later shot to hell in ST First Contact, in which the Borg arrive in 21st-century Earth.
Enterprise episode s2e23 "Regeneration" has Borg appearing in the 22nd-century in the Alpha Quadrant. Previously, it had been established that the Borg hadn't made it that far as late as the 23rd until deliberately invited by Q. The one loophole that might have allowed them to come early, which would be a transmission from the Enterprise in First Contact, didn't go through because Picard, Worf, and the late Ensign Hawk stopped that.

	27-05-2004 22:48									#38
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It's possible that it's not known by the Feds about that ship in STE or that the info was lost somehow. It's also possible that the Borg ship never makes it back to Borg Space.

	27-05-2004 22:51									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Pax It's possible that it's not known by the Feds about that ship in STE or that the info was lost somehow. It's also possible that the Borg ship never makes it back to Borg Space.

stop trying to bring reason into Q^3's rant!~

	27-05-2004 22:54									#40
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and a niggling point thrown in just to be amusing.

The Klingons don't like talking about this point in their history, but in TOS, all of them are smooth-foreheaded. It wasn't until 1981's ST:TMP that they gained forehead ridges. Yet the Klingons in Enterprise have forehead ridges... curious, isn't it?
(This argument falls apart when considering this: ST: DS( episode s2e19 "Blood Oath" features the return of three TOS Klingons (Kor (First seen in: TOS s1e26 "Errand of Mercy"), Koloth (TOS s2e15 "Trouble with Tribbles"), and Kang (TOS s3e7 "Day of the Dove")) who had smooth foreheads in TOS but ridged ones in DS9. Kudos, however, because they brought back the same actors.)

	27-05-2004 22:55									#41
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quote: It's possible that it's not known by the Feds about that ship in STE or that the info was lost somehow. It's also possible that the Borg ship never makes it back to Borg Space.

Perhaps. It IS established, though, that the Borg had no desire to be in the Alpha Quadrant until Q threw the Enterprise to the Delta Quadrant just to be a bastard.

	27-05-2004 22:55									#42
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It's a TV show dude... don't take it so seriously.

	27-05-2004 22:56									#43
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I know. I've stopped watching and following Star Trek ever since Barbie joined Voyager.

here's what i think of it now:

	27-05-2004 22:57									#44
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Barbie?

	27-05-2004 22:58									#45
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yes, Borg Barbie, now equipped with her very own Party Cube!

	27-05-2004 23:01									#46
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Other things I don't like: turning the Vulcan Science Officer into the übersexy chick; making the vulcans absolute bastards/evil.

The two things I did like, which so far don't really outweigh the bad things: they brought back Andorians and Tellarites.

	27-05-2004 23:02									#47
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Seven of Nine was one of the greatest contributions to the Star Trek universe ever!

	27-05-2004 23:03									#48
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A few other errors with continuity, though these were not part of the canon. It was established that transporters weren't invented until a bit before Pike's time, and that Phasers weren't developed and standardized until after April became Captain of the first Enterprise. (1701, not that stupid NX-01 crap.)

	27-05-2004 23:04									#49
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she was not. once she arrived, every single frickkin' show was about her journey to be more human. :gag:

	27-05-2004 23:09									#50
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quote: Seven of Nine was one of the greatest contributions to the Star Trek universe ever!

Shouldn't that be :"Seven of Nine was two of the greatest contributions to the Star Trek universe ever!"

	27-05-2004 23:12									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed and that Phasers weren't developed and standardized until after April became Captain of the first Enterprise. (1701, not that stupid NX-01 crap.)

Those aren't phasers.

	27-05-2004 23:16									#52
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in the first episode, Archer is given two "new experimental weapons" which were dubbed "phasers".

thankfully, they dropped that and went with the term "phase pistols".

For day to day use, though, they do use lasers in Pike's time.

	27-05-2004 23:17									#53
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Phase pistols. Not phasers

	27-05-2004 23:18									#54
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Enterprise is an abomination, a show vigorously condemned by the CPA

	27-05-2004 23:19									#55
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quote: Phase pistols. Not phasers

yes, i remember that term in later episodes, but i clearly remember the word "phaser" used in the first episode.

	27-05-2004 23:20									#56
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You've only named a couple flaws with enterprise. that's not a reason to hate the whole series...Face it, Star Trek is now cool thanks to Enterprise and you are left wearing Picard's pajamas on Halloween.

	27-05-2004 23:25									#57
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quote: You've only named a couple flaws with enterprise. that's not a reason to hate the whole series...Face it, Star Trek is now cool thanks to Enterprise and you are left wearing Picard's pajamas on Halloween.

enterprise was merely the last nail in the coffin, wiggy. you might get your jollies from a sexed-up star trek, but i remember when such soap opera in space (not space opera) was meant for other telly shows.

star trek might now be "cool" for a different demographic, but it's also coming at the cost of alienating a bunch of old school fans.

i don't like the design ethic, since the ship looks too new--taking design cues from the akira-class starships first seen in first contact, as well as being all sharp blue/black/grey-hued rather than the muted/earth tones of tos/tng/voy. while the interior decor isn't bad, it doesn't engender in me a feel of "star trek".

as a show, it has its merits; if it were completely divorced from the star trek universe, i might not mind it so much. the fact of the matter is, though, wiglaf, is that it's not, and it weakens both the show and the universe at large because of it.

it's almost as bad as the "hey, that wasn't really jean grey possessed by the phoenix force" cop-out.

	27-05-2004 23:27									#58
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besides, wiglaf, you asked for some timeline inconsistencies. i delivered. nowhere in your initial remarks do you say such inconsistencies shouldn't be a basis for judging a show.

	27-05-2004 23:28									#59
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He's a republican, Q. Hes not supposed to be consistent

	27-05-2004 23:30									#60
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The fact we saw the Ferengi is a timeline gaffe not the crap already listed.