17-06-2004 17:08									#301
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf Francesco "the Italian Llama" Totti got a three-match ban

Yes, but it's quite a dilemma really. The Danes filed a complaint, as they should, but who will benefit from this ban? Not Denmark, but instead Denmark's rivals, the other two contestants in the group who haven't met Italy yet (plus, unexpectedly, the opposing side of an Italian quarter final, should they make it that far).

There's an inherent incentive NOT to complain after the match, and the more outrageous the behaviour of an opponent player, the bigger the incentive to let it pass.



They ought to play Italy - Denmark over again and give the Danes a 3 goal advantage.

	17-06-2004 17:30									#302
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy It was an unfair red card.

As you know, when the offender is the last man and disrupts an obvious scoring opportunity, the offense doesn't have to be all that extraordinary before a red card is given. I tend to agree with the decision, but it does bother me somewhat that David James was not dismissed for a significantly more dramatic act... by all means, let's have referees be as consistent as possible.

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Oh, and in football-related news, a 85 year old farmer whose car broke down in the Swedish woods had to live for four days on nothing but rain water. He now claims listening to the radio transmission of Sweden v Bulgaria gave him the inner strength to survive until he could be rescued.

I have a vision of the next pep-talk delivered by the Swedish coach... it will go something like 'up there in the far north, there's an old fart in a car that doesn't work and he has spent three days on rain water defending himself against abuse by elks. Let's win this one for him.'

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But think of all the old Bulgarians in similar predicaments who must've expired following the defeat.

And it's not like they have Volvo's to begin with.

	17-06-2004 17:53									#305
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Monk, I know that red-cards are easily given in these situations, but in this case it was an unfair card, since the keeper didn't touch the ball.

He even tried everything he could to not touch the ball.
He fell upon the ball, and it looked like he was going to touch it, but from another angle you can see that he didn't touch it though.

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Shy,

I'll have to see it again to be sure, but I'm confident he touched the ball with his hand or albow.

Sorry if the changing in predictions is causing you trouble, Paul, but I think I better change my estimate with regards to that England v Switzerland game.

ENG-SUI 2-1... surely the English could manage that much?

	17-06-2004 19:42									#307
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy It was an unfair red card. The goalkeeper hardly touched the ball, if he touched it at all. He did his very best to not touch the ball. And even *if* he touched the ball, it didn't alter anything to the direction the ball moved to, neither did it stop the bal. I think it was a very good goal-keeper action. It really really was unfair to give him the red card. From what country did the referee come? I'll ban whatever product that comes from that country

No question. A very, very harsh red card.

	17-06-2004 19:45									#308
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17-06-2004, Group B:
England - Switzerland 2-1
Croatia - France 0-3

	17-06-2004 20:12									#309
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I'd like to change two predictions. My new predictions are:

17-06-2004, Group B:
England - Switzerland 1-0

18-06-2004, Group C:
Italy - Sweden 0-1

	17-06-2004 20:54									#310
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(you forgot one Gangerolf)

	17-06-2004 22:08									#311
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oops

	17-06-2004 22:13									#312
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Winston: dilemma, perhaps. But no-one should get away with that kind of behaviour.

	17-06-2004 22:19									#313
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Absolutely not. Even a large majority of Italians concur, according to a poll I saw quoted from one of their leading papers. And if I was his coach, he'd have played his last national.

	18-06-2004 01:40									#314
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Grand slam!

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Croatia - France 2-2

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	18-06-2004 01:44									#316
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quote: Originally posted by Al'Kimiya Grand slam!

Two correct predictions. Congratulations, you're almost as cool as me

	18-06-2004 02:34									#317
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Uhaaaa...

I am still 7th... not bad

the only problem is that I chose Henry to be top scorer and France are not playing him in the way to make him score...

I'd be better of chosing Prso

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So no matter if France loses the next game, they are through?

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quote: Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave Uhaaaa... I am still 7th... not bad the only problem is that I chose Henry to be top scorer and France are not playing him in the way to make him score...

Talking about luxery problems. I have Makaay, and he is not playing at all .

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In case Poly won't be up in time again to post my predicion for the last 4 games:

20-06-2004, Group A:
Spain - Portugal: 1-1
Russia - Greece: 0-1

21-06-2004, Group B:
Croatia - England: 1-2
Switzerland - France: 0-2

22-06-2004, Group C:
Italy - Bulgaria: 2-0
Denmark - Sweden: 1-1

23-06-2004, Group D:
Netherlands - Latvia: 4-0
Germany - Czech Republic: 1-1

	18-06-2004 15:13									#321
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quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc So no matter if France loses the next game, they are through?

The French are relegated to third place only on the off chance they suffer a loss by at least three goals against Switzerland - now that would be a surprise for sure.

	18-06-2004 15:27									#322
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I think Switzerland will just have to beat the French by any margin to surpass them in the table. Then they'll both have 4 points, and the result of their mutual match goes before overall goal difference, so I believe.

	18-06-2004 16:08									#323
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20-06-2004, Group A:
Spain - Portugal: 1-2
Russia - Greece: 0-2

21-06-2004, Group B:
Croatia - England: 0-3
Switzerland - France: 0-2

22-06-2004, Group C:
Italy - Bulgaria: 2-0
Denmark - Sweden: 1-0

23-06-2004, Group D:
Netherlands - Latvia: 2-0
Germany - Czech Republic: 0-2

	18-06-2004 16:46									#324
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Germany - Czech Republic: 0-2

I bet GER - CZE 3:1

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quote: Originally posted by Winston I think Switzerland will just have to beat the French by any margin to surpass them in the table. Then they'll both have 4 points, and the result of their mutual match goes before overall goal difference, so I believe.

I think the mutual result thing is correct. They need England to win so that they only need to beat France by any margin though.

If England, France and Switzerland should end up on 4 points (each having drawn to Croatia) then the Swiss would need to win by 2 goals against France to stay in on mutual results, but then they'd need to score more than 2 in order to get either a superior goal difference or a superior goals scored record than England or France. Its purely an academic concept though. The Swiss ain't gonna put 3 past France.

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England only need a draw to go through and play (probably) Greece I'll take that

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20-06-2004, Group A:
Spain - Portugal: 2-1
Russia - Greece: 1-1

21-06-2004, Group B:
Croatia - England: 2-2
Switzerland - France: 0-2

22-06-2004, Group C:
Italy - Bulgaria: 2-0
Denmark - Sweden: 1-2

23-06-2004, Group D:
Netherlands - Latvia: 2-0
Germany - Czech Republic: 2-0

	18-06-2004 20:21									#328
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Bulgaria - Denmark 0-1
Sweden - Italy 1-1

	18-06-2004 20:49									#329
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Last minute change (thinking of Henrik Larsson)

Todays games:
Bulgaria 0-2 Denmark
Italy 1-2 Sweden

	18-06-2004 21:03									#330
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I'm not surprised to see Gravesen playing aggressively from the start, but a free kick nine seconds into the game (that should really have resulted in a yellow card) has got to set some sort of record.

Oh, and how about that stadium, freaky yet cool