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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:36
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I see five lines of thought:
1. St. Reagan the Holy: The Reagan personality Cultists who want to put him on the dolar bill and rename the capitol for him: According to this line of though, Reagan single-handedly wipped the communists, won the culture war, cured Cancer, whatever. This view is held exclusively by the far right.
2. The Gipper: People with a positive view of Reagan. "He brought back confidence", "He was a nice guy", "He stood for what he believed" will be the common phrases you will hear. These people might not credit him with saving the world and the puppies and the kitties and making the sun rise each day, but they liked him, and think he did a good job. This will be the sigularly largest single group opinion in the US.
3. Meh. Some people won't remember Reagan at all, some won;t crae since they are divorced from politics period. Other remember Reagan, where ambivalent about him, but never hated him either. They just won;t care that much. I think this position comes in second in popularity.
4. He did some Bad: this will be the main line of thought among his detractors. While I think few people will paint him as actively evil, and most will agree that in the end, we can;t fault his personal intentions, they will fault his 8 years in office for multiple problems andf policies. This is my personal position.
5. HItler.20: The smallest position, held by the smallest group, views him as a monster and good ridance.
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Harry Tuttle
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of the Hoople Heads
Mar 2003
time: 00:36
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Considering he is the one President who is regarded as finally taking down Soviet Russia, reinstilling faith in the U.S. after long years of brow beating over Vietnam, cutting taxes, remaining a statesman, and creating a new basis for a major political party, I'd say he was the greatest President since FDR died. Bar all this "he was a fascist" crap prepetuated by some lonely people on this board, he was the president who wooed over Congress and united a country.
In 20 years time he will be regarded as a man who was a great diplomat, allowed intelligent people in his adminstration to do their job, and did what a president is supposed to do: Lead where others could not.
Screw Iran/Contra. The man stuck to his guns, didn't take a goddamn poll to decide his actions, and put America first.
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Ted Striker
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United States of America
Jan 1970
time: 21:36
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quote:
Originally posted by GePap
I see five lines of thought:
1. St. Reagan the Holy: The Reagan personality Cultists who want to put him on the dolar bill and rename the capitol for him: According to this line of though, Reagan single-handedly wipped the communists, won the culture war, cured Cancer, whatever. This view is held exclusively by the far right.
2. The Gipper: People with a positive view of Reagan. "He brought back confidence", "He was a nice guy", "He stood for what he believed" will be the common phrases you will hear. These people might not credit him with saving the world and the puppies and the kitties and making the sun rise each day, but they liked him, and think he did a good job. This will be the sigularly largest single group opinion in the US.
3. Meh. Some people won't remember Reagan at all, some won;t crae since they are divorced from politics period. Other remember Reagan, where ambivalent about him, but never hated him either. They just won;t care that much. I think this position comes in second in popularity.
4. He did some Bad: this will be the main line of thought among his detractors. While I think few people will paint him as actively evil, and most will agree that in the end, we can;t fault his personal intentions, they will fault his 8 years in office for multiple problems andf policies. This is my personal position.
5. HItler.20: The smallest position, held by the smallest group, views him as a monster and good ridance. |
Good analysis.
I'm in group 2. 
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Bereta_Eder
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i'm five and most people are five.
duh
now dont get me wrong I DONT KNOW enough to be any #. just the overall perseption.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:36
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To continue my rant about How Reagan DID NOT win the Cold War:
The regular line of arguement goes as HT laid it out: he bankrupted the Soviets. Fine...so what? Right now people in NK are eating grass sometimes-and they spend 50% plus of their GDP on their military-and you know what? The NK remains. Dictatorial regimes do NOT end if bankrupt. Who is going to collect? Foreign states? Internal creditors?
After 20 years of unforseen advances in electronics, we are still far from a program capable of stopping even 20 incoming nuclear warheads. If the soviets wanted to maintain an ability to get everywhere in the world, fine, they were not going to compete for long-but if pure regime survival was their aim, as long as they had 30K nuclear warheads, I would hope no Western leader mad enough to attack them-and even if the Red Army could not keep up with the tech of the western armies, they sure as hell had more than enough firepower to level any uppity rebellions. So if pure regime survival was the chief aim of soviet leaders, then nothing Reagan did or could have done would have ended that regime, simply becuase at the end they still had the ability to turn Western Europe and the US into sheets of glass.
The problem was, beginning in 1968 and after, even as the soviets begun backing more foreign adventures in Africa, culminating in their invasion of Afghanistan, the elites back home no longer really cared aout regime survival-they were too busy looting the country. Corruption was rampant, the elite nmo longer gived a damned-when the few hardliners tried to keep thingsas they were in August '91, it was not only the people who deserted them, but most of the elite was well-they simply did not care about regime survival anymore. They had other, more important things.
And you know what? All those communist party functionaries of the '80s did VERY WELL for themselves, for they were right in line to profit the most from the wholesale sell-off of soviet industry that occured in the early 90's. Many of them re-invented themselves and are back in power in many areas of the SU-remember various of those republics are still not in any way democratic.
So don;t any of you mourn for the soviet managers of the80's. Most of them are much richer than anyone posting here right now, enjoying the fruits of capitalism with more gusto than you.
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Bereta_Eder
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I was wondering why he had just a bad reputation and now I know why. The contras and such. Thanks to unspeakable horro and che for pointing out the "why" (as I said).
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Bereta_Eder
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quote:
Originally posted by Drogue
Paiktis: This thread was started after that was closed. It wasn't the reason why it was closed.
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Drogue, yeah I didnt mean this thread was the reason mine was closed. I meant about the perseption included in my thread and the reasons for which this existed and that your thread and its answers gave me the why for the existance of that perseption.
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