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oops. sorry. I erroneously thought that only the Bard had that ability.

the list 3 posts above has been updated

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Some suggestions:

Sorcerer has the ability to Influence. Once per game he use it on another player, who will automatically vote for the person the sorcerer names. However, the player so influenced will automatically vote against the sorcerer the next round. The GM does the switching behind the scenes both times

The Wizard has the ability to Ask the Dead. Three times each game he can direct specific Yes/No questions to the dead (either assassinated or executed). The GM determines if the dead person knows the answer, and if so, will answer it honestly.

The Ranger has the ability to Look for Clues which can be used once per game. When used, the GM will inform the player, in private, which hints are real and which are red herrings.

The abilities above are Secret (PM to GM for activation).

The Paladin has the ability to Declare Innocence. If he is voted to be the assassin and he is in fact not, he can make the declaration. When that happens, another round of voting takes place, and the Paladin cannot be voted for that round. This power is automatic (GM activates it when the conditions are met).

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Me like all forum games. Me want to sign up. Me want to be human Paladin

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Are you dead yet in Mafia?

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Yes, he is

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Pretty much, just waiting on the story.

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Why not do all the powers secretly by PM?

That way, since everyone can use their powers only once, and nobody knows who used what power, there really isn't a need for the negative effects.

As it stands now, I don't know if I'd risk using any of the powers.

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If the list above stands I'd like to switch to lawful good rogue.

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Just hold my place for now and I may have to resubmit character type when the whole "special powers" thing gets a good ironing out. Was something like this previously in Mafia or has Assassins really become a true testing ground.

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That way, since everyone can use their powers only once, and nobody knows who used what power, there really isn't a need for the negative effects.

As it stands now, I don't know if I'd risk using any of the powers.

well that's their point. They aren't supposed to become uber-common. And the reason for them being public is that their relative used/not usedness wouldl obvisouly be obvious to all other characters (except of course the rogue's ability to change someones vote- and that will of course be secret). If somoene doesn't use their powers, then it's more likely that their guilty- since they don't want to help the group... possibly

oh, and Jamski, you may get your wish to participate in this game (albeit maybe as a GM if you're willing)- since I might not be here from next wednesday on- I was hoping that this game would have started on Monday so there would have been a chance to have finished but now... it looks like it may not even start tommorrow, and tomorrow (well actually today, since its 0100 GMT right now) will be the last plausible date for it to start by if it'll finish by next wednesday.

and anyways, the players WILL send me the powers by PM... therefore it will be relatively secret- until after I've posted the story update Then they will be revealed for all to see!

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sorry, you CANT be a lawful good rogue. Lawful good is a restricted alignment for that character class

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I'll see what I can do with your ideas, but they might be a bit too much to add on to the current ones

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dang I'd like to start this today
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Nope. This is all new a new test

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True neutral rogue?

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that's all right

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*against my better judgement, I added more special abilities
(see, this is what happens when I'm not doing something!)

Oh also, DrSpike, is there any chance that you could really be a wizard? I had a good storyline for you (sort of elminsterish)- but you don't have to if you don't want to- I'll just make FlameFlash a wizard or perhaps someone new will volunteer to be a human wizard.
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Paladin
(The warrior for good- the Paladin is pure of heart and must always act to nourish the weak, and correct injustice where it exists.
The Paladin can cast PRAYER, and healing spells to bless the troops...)
(MUST BE LAWFUL GOOD)
[Can Petition a god for guidance in voting ONCE per game.
(and the petition for guidance will result in myself voting for the correct assassin for your character- however your character will have no idea who I voted for)
(The Paladin has the ability to Declare Innocence. If he is voted to be the assassin and he is in fact not, he can make the declaration. When that happens, another round of voting takes place, and the Paladin cannot be voted for that round. This power is automatic (GM activates it when the conditions are met).
[WARNING: Paladins, being Lawful Good, feel compelled to tell the group who they voted for if someone asks them.
They must search out evil wherever it exists- and, they figure, someone who kills, must be evil. Therefore, others should vote as they do. They fear no retribution. Their God will look over them.
Their votes will not be secret]
[NOTE: Only THREE Paladins per group of 20]

Ranger
[ONCE per game can choose to evade the Assassin and stay alert the entire day/night. However, because he falls lethargic, the next turn, the Ranger loses his vote]
(The Ranger has the ability to Look for Clues which can be used once per game. When used, the GM will inform the player, in private, which hints are real and which are red herrings for that round and that round only.
(The scout. A great archer)

Fighter
(The Fighter has the ability to SLAY assassin for ONE round... If the assassin targets him that round, the assassin auto-dies because of the Fighters alert skills.)
(The generic warrior)

Barbarian
[ONCE Per game can determine one player to die whom he acuses of being the Assassin. None will oppose the Barbarian as he goes into his rage.
HOWEVER, the next 2 turns the Barbarian is withheld from the voting circle.]
(The Barbarian has the Unique Ability to resist all Influence from Magical people: Clerics/Wizards/Sorcerors/Druids/etc. This is Auto-Activated)
(Man of the Wild- ferocious fighter)

Sorcerer
[ONCE per game can make his/her vote count double...but the same round that this is invoked- S(he) will receive an additional 2 votes against him/herself]
(Sorcerer has the ability to Influence. Once per game he use it on another player, who will automatically vote for the person the sorcerer names. However, the player so influenced will automatically vote against the sorcerer the next round because of the wills of magic. The GM does the switching behind the scenes both times)
(Naturally attuned to magic)

Wizard
[ONCE per game can cast a diviniation and discover all the votes made by everyone the previous round- BUT can not vote next round]
(The Wizard can magically alter one persons vote ONCE per game unbeknownst to all, but will have 2 votes accure against him the next round)
(Researcher of Magic)

Rogue
(Thief)
[ONCE per game can change one person's vote to whatever he/she desires...but LOSES own vote next round. (fatigue/hiding from the other person's anger)]
(ONCE per game can EVADE death at the hands of the assassin)
(RESTRICTIONS- Lawful Good)

Bard
(Like a Skald. His magic comes from his music.)
[ONCE per game can negate two votes for him... the next round however, the spell wears out and three votes come against him]
(ONCE per game can EVADE death at the hands of the assassin)
(RESTRICTIONS- Lawful Good)
[NOTE: Only TWO Bards per group of 20]

Cleric
[ONCE per round can protect ONE player from the Assassin. The next round, the cleric loses his vote because he is tired]
(The Cleric has the ability to Ask the Dead. ONE time each game he can direct specific Yes/No questions to the dead (either assassinated or executed). The GM determines if the dead person knows the answer, and if so, will answer it honestly.)
(Servant of a God)

Druid
[ONCE per game can raise one player from the dead. After this however, the Druid loses all ability to vote and falls into a coma for 3 days. The person who is raised gains a special hint about the assassin.]
(ONCE per game the Druid can ASK NATURE for a clue)
(Servant of Nature)
[NOTE: Only THREE Druids per group of 20]

Monk
[ONCE per game gains a specific hint about ANYTHING from the Gods... This is a question/answer and must be along the lines of "is X a hint?" or "what does X mean?"
The next turn, the Monk falls comatose and cannot vote.]
(ONCE per game the Monk can chose to stay awake for 24 hours and be immune from assassins. However, he will lose the ability to vote next turn.)
(Hand-to-hand fighter. The Monk disdains weapons)
[NOTE: Only ONE Monk per group of 20]

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You are really making this way too complicated

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Well... I predict that with public powers and heavy penalties, people will hold off on using them for fear of being doc-piled in the following round(s).

With secret, one-use powers, it would make for far more intrigue. Since full voting isn't revealed until the end of the game anyway, we'll probably know that someone used their powers to change the expected outcome, but we won't know who did what until the end.

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Oh well. I wasn't making suggestions for additional abilities.

I think the Sorcerer's ability could use these limitations:

1. He cannot make a player to vote for himself. That is, he can't make A to vote for A.

2. He can't use the power when there are less than n players, where n is decided by the GM in advance. 3 seems to be the cut off point - a Sorcerer cannot Influence another player when there are only 3 players left, including the Sorcerer. But could be more, depending on the starting number.

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Are we ever going to start or just add more powers?

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We still need a few more players...

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Jam and I could do the honours if one of the rules could be bent slightly.

Which isn't such a bad idea actually. I propose that players still alive in the mafia game can also join the Assassins game at a lower priority than players not in the mafia game. This way anyone who wants to play this game and isn't in the other can, and this game will also get enough players that we can actually start.

Thoughts?

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It's a possibility, but I think there's no real rush.

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Nah, I think it went wrong because Mafia took too many players. 20-24 was good, but now there were 26, which is too many.

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Wait a few hours, and there will be two more dead mafia-players.

-Jam

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DC: I would be a wizard, but their abilities suxxorz.

Skanky: no players can play in both. I wasn't allowed to signup for Mafia, and Mafia players can't play here unless they are dead.

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With secret, one-use powers, it would make for far more intrigue.


I thought that's how it was going to work.... aside from certain abilities which might be appropriate or neccisary to make public, atleast.

And of course the person can always anounce that he's going to do something.

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Some suggestions:

Sorcerer has the ability to Influence. Once per game he use it on another player, who will automatically vote for the person the sorcerer names. However, the player so influenced will automatically vote against the sorcerer the next round. The GM does the switching behind the scenes both times

The Wizard has the ability to Ask the Dead. Three times each game he can direct specific Yes/No questions to the dead (either assassinated or executed). The GM determines if the dead person knows the answer, and if so, will answer it honestly.

The Ranger has the ability to Look for Clues which can be used once per game. When used, the GM will inform the player, in private, which hints are real and which are red herrings.

The abilities above are Secret (PM to GM for activation).

The Paladin has the ability to Declare Innocence. If he is voted to be the assassin and he is in fact not, he can make the declaration. When that happens, another round of voting takes place, and the Paladin cannot be voted for that round. This power is automatic (GM activates it when the conditions are met).


the cleric is much better suited for speaking to the dead than the Wizard

and influence is a stupid power for a sorcerer

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according to latest rules, Paladins and Wizards can crush

basically a Paladin asks the Wizard (publicly) to cast divination because he is going to use his petition power

if the Wizard refuses he is the Mafia

if the Wizard doesn't refuse, than he gets a list of votes, he publicly posts who the Paladin voted for

if the Wizard is lying about the vote, than the Assassin is not killed, and next round the Wizard is voted out

if the Wizard tells the truth, than the Assassin is voted out

crushes (and all there has to be is a Wizard and a Paladin in the game)

my suggestion

every class has two powers, one usuable as standard and one usuable as an Assassin (some classes, like Paladin, would have a Blackguard power for their Assassin power)

all powers are done in secret, so you can't tell if someone used it or not

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The characters are not balanced. The sorcerer is particularly weak.

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like the sorcerer Assassin power might be

Kill 3 people this round

this power would only be used at the end (because it tips off to the fact that the Assassin is a sorcerer, unless you made it so that Wizards had this power as well) and as such would make the end of games variable

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quote:
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basically a Paladin asks the Wizard (publicly) to cast divination because he is going to use his petition power


Uh, John, he can't use that power until people vote him as the Mafia.

quote:
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if the Wizard refuses he is the Mafia




quote:
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if the Wizard doesn't refuse, than he gets a list of votes, he publicly posts who the Paladin voted for


Uh, the Paladin votes publicly anyway.

quote:
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if the Wizard is lying about the vote, than the Assassin is not killed, and next round the Wizard is voted out

if the Wizard tells the truth, than the Assassin is voted out


You have to work on your logic some more.

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The characters are not balanced. The sorcerer is particularly weak.


Nope. He can use his powers at the same time to cast 3 votes. In a closed ballet, this can easily tip the balance.

 
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