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problem_child
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State of the Animal
Mar 2000
time: 05:36
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Is Islam a form of Fascism?
Mussolini, the creator of fascism, defined it in these terms
'Everything within the State, Nothing outside the State, Nothing against the State'
Muslims have a similar attitude to Islam, for a good muslim
Everything must be within Islam, Nothing can be outside of Islam, Nothing can be against Islam.
Considering Sharia law, where Islam and State become one in the Law of the Land, I have to wonder, what argument can make the term Islamic Fascism a nonsense?
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Flip McWho
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New Zealand
May 2002
time: 17:36
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Thats almost like saying that everything that is nationalistic is facist. (I think).
"and islamic state is as fascist as a christian state."
Once you add the fundies they both are the same.
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Flip McWho
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New Zealand
May 2002
time: 17:36
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Yes and considering that was basically what Europe was like back in the days when the Chruch with a capital C ruled then Lawrence is right. Christianity has happened to move on a little.
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Comrade Tassadar
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Is capitalism a form of fascism? A fair and balanced review.
Yes.
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Flip McWho
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New Zealand
May 2002
time: 17:36
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Hmmm ok from a different point of view then. Fascism is more state focused whereas religion is always all about the religion, governments that revolve around this are normally theocratic (again I think).
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Flip McWho
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New Zealand
May 2002
time: 17:36
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Oh come on Sava I thought you were more intelligent than that. Nothing is evil its the people who use it.
Do you think Christianity is evil?
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Flip McWho
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New Zealand
May 2002
time: 17:36
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At least your consistent, thats good.
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Zevico
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Melbourne
Apr 2002
time: 15:36
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Religions are determined by their followers. Therefore some sects of Islam can be fascist, just as the same can be true for sects of Christianity, Hinduism, or Shinto(ism?). As to whether the majority of religious Muslims are fascist, which is what you might mean to say, that is a difficult question. Certainly such Muslims exist in great numbers in proportion to other Muslims, both religious and irreligious, as evidenced by many Muslim's support of Al Qaeda. But sadly in many dictatorial countries these fascist sects are tolerated or encouraged covertly by the government so as to encourage hatred against the West rather than violence against the dictatorship. This is probably the reason for the high proportion of fascist Muslims.
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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
time: 05:36
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quote:
Therefore some sects of Islam can be fascist, just as the same can be true for sects of Christianity, Hinduism, or Shinto(ism?).
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 . Undoubtably many national socialist elements too. However, Muslims feel a brotherhood with other Muslims, regardless of their state, whereas non-Muslims tend to define themselves on more nationalistic grounds. While I don't believe in God, it is my opinion that a belief is something infinite and all pervasive as a more valid argument for grouping people together than something arbitrary like a nation (though of course ideally we shouldnt be grouping people at all). Round one to Islam thus far .
Nonetheless, I contend that most people who would generalise about Islam, calling it the "fascism of the 21st century" and what have you are looking at it from a somewhat egocentric view with little understanding of either the history, the cultural influences or indeed the variant individual influences. So bad troll.
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child of Thor
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Short answer: No
But any religion can be exploited by mankind to justify the most evil of acts. Christianity/Judaism/Hinduism/Islam, etc.
Its the people in power that carry out and pervert religion for their own ends.
All religions are fundementaly pro-human, they were 'created' for the purpose of provideing a frame work of rules to live by, like an early law back in the mists of time, so people wouldn't just go around killing everyone else without regaurd of the consequence for their actions.
This is i believe the fundemental reason behind all religions, of course there are many layers on top, but i can imagine primitive man needing some guidelines(as in fact we still do).
Edit: put bold on the point most people seem/choose to be missing 
Last edited by child of Thor on 08-06-2004 at 16:31
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