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I have to wait until the tadpole becomes a frog.


Borrow some Human Growth Hormones from some of your grenouille racing cyclists!

Some interesting snippets in the press this morning about the Blades decision to quit as Wallaby forwards coach. He still hasn't informed Eddie of his decision! Eddie heard about it second-hand. It sounds like Blades got out of the kitchen because he couldn't stand the heat. Eddie was immensely critical of the forwards a couple of times during the Tri Nations. With very good reason. Blades, apparently a nice, rather amiable soul, obviously decided he didn't need the stress. Apparently, Roger Gould's - the backs' coach - departure was more straight forward. He's also a team selector, and the coaching on top of his other role was wreaking havoc on his family.

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A combined age of almost exactly 70 yes.

I will read and reply properly on Wed - have sneaked of to post this before Sunday lunch.

We beats Cardiff 31-13 and looked pretty good doing so. This is against tradition and may not bode well for the new season. But at least the lads should have some confidence.

And we may really have found a new Jonno in Deacon.

The packs were niggly and half way through the first half a slight scuffle ensued, with locks Louis Deacon and Craig Quinnell earning yellow cards. Quinnell (younger more thuggish brother of Scott) landed a torrent of punches on his young opponent, who then stood toe to toe and replied in kind. Quinell was finally pried off Deacon by Will Skinner (Back's young apprentice). Good lads.

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A combined age of almost exactly 70 yes.

I will read and reply properly on Wed - have sneaked of to post this before Sunday lunch.


Roast beef and yorkshire pud, hopefully.

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The packs were niggly and half way through the first half a slight scuffle ensued, with locks Louis Deacon and Craig Quinnell earning yellow cards. Quinnell (younger more thuggish brother of Scott) landed a torrent of punches on his young opponent, who then stood toe to toe and replied in kind. Quinell was finally pried off Deacon by Will Skinner (Back's young apprentice). Good lads.


Beaut. Corne Krige's influence on the competition is showing already.

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The NZRFU has declined to play a third Bledisloe Cup match next season because two of the three matches would be scheduled to be played in Australia. How low is their self-esteem?

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The NZRFU has declined to play a third Bledisloe Cup match next season because two of the three matches would be scheduled to be played in Australia. To just what lengths will the Aussies stoop to try and win something back?


[Edit: Whoops. Er, cross-posted with finbar? ]

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Mmmm. Displaying all the creativity of Carlos and Mehrts combined.

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In response to the level of unbiased judgement and wit of Eddie and, .. well, .. just Eddie alone says it all really.

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Another game lost by the Stade Toulousain away from home:

Association Sportive Béziers-Héraut 28 - Stade Toulousain 22

It seems that the Toulousains are unfortunately becoming quite an ordinary team.

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In response to the level of unbiased judgement and wit of Eddie and, .. well, .. just Eddie alone says it all really.


Too wordy. You blurred your point.

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Another game lost by the Stade Toulousain away from home:

Association Sportive Béziers-Héraut 28 - Stade Toulousain 22

It seems that the Toulousains are unfortunately becoming quite an ordinary team.


You're most welcome to come and support a real rugby team.

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Okay I am not back in until tomorrow but i just had to pop in and ask why Finbar is not littering the thread with smilies?

Dally announced his international retirement this morning. Jumping before being pushed methinks.

And weird rumour of the weekend linked Clive with a move to a Premiership S***** side.

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You're most welcome to come and support a real rugby team.


The real supporters are the ones that are supporting their team during the hard times... though some call them the "suckers that are still paying year after year".

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And weird rumour of the weekend linked Clive with a move to a Premiership S***** side.


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Okay I am not back in until tomorrow but i just had to pop in and ask why Finbar is not littering the thread with smilies?

Dally announced his international retirement this morning. Jumping before being pushed methinks.


Because I heard it announced on the BBC World Service overnight and I don't get out of bed and rush to the computer for idiots like him!

OTOH, now that I'm out of bed and it's the first day of Spring -



Definitely jumping before he was pushed. Now you need a skipper. I gather Mark Thatcher is looking for greener pastures.

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And weird rumour of the weekend linked Clive with a move to a Premiership S***** side.


Yes indeed. It was mistakenly reported here this morning that he had quit. They confused Clive with The Nose. Understandably, really. I suspect Clive is laying the groundwork for an early departure. He has, finally, realised that it's one thing to be carried to a WRC title on the coat tails of one of the great rugby players, but another thing actually to have to build and coach a team. So you'll need a coach. I gather Mark Thatcher is looking for greener pastures. Or did I already mention that?

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The real supporters are the ones that are supporting their team during the hard times... though some call them the "suckers that are still paying year after year".


Sucker!

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Sucker!


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Dally announced his international retirement this morning. Jumping before being pushed methinks.


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I would've thought it would've been Havak doing the

while finbar would've been ?

...

I mean this is good news for England after all, is it not?


[Edit: Crikey. Tis yet again almost time for a new thread. Suggestions?]

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How nice to see the old Aussie-Kiwi interplay return to the thread. We need much more of this now England are at the start of a long rebuild (and are therefore a ducks in barrel target)

I wonder if Blades wishes he was back with the Falcons? Why the ARU ever thought being forwards coach there prepared him for such a big step I will never get. I recall the frequent discussions of how player power bumped Nocifora – so how safe can any new coach ever feel. Win the S12, get booted. Sad that he is totally lost to Aussie rugger for now.

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It's just that, for me, Greenwood sort of represents everything girlie in backs.


I know what you mean. Larkham had the same effect on me with half backs for years – seems a little tougher now.

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Oh well, if you've been to the Otago area, you'd understand that he'll have little trouble adjusting to the East Midlands.


I suspect comparatively he is coming to the ‘big city’. In terms of numbers the East Mids must have over half the population of the whole of NZ at least.

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Grow your own!


You have seen how well that works! Looking forwards to seeing Rogers back for the tour. We need to beat your best side after all.

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Definitely jumping before he was pushed. Now you need a skipper. I gather Mark Thatcher is looking for greener pastures.


He seems to prefer former colonies. I am sure Australia will welcome him?

Ravagon is right of course – his departure is good news for England. It allows a more through rebuild at an earlier stage aiming towards 2007.

Dallaglio caught everybody out with the speed of his decision – the press conference was called very late indeed – only 12 hours notice. He has had some very sensible things to say – given the difficulty linking to some sites I’ll reproduce it here:
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"I'm unsure whether we have the right structure to allow our players to be successful," said Dallaglio.
"The World Cup was a little bit of a one-off."
He added: "Clive fought so hard to get the necessary working days and the timing of the tournament was perfect."
"Playing internationals while trying to run a domestic competition and the way the season runs until May before some players then have to go on tour are not conducive to career longevity.
"We are already seeing a number of injuries to high-profile players as a result of the number of games they are playing.
"It's an issue that needs to be addressed.
"We all want to play for our club and countries but the ferocity and intensity of the game in this part of the world is such now that people must take a serious look at the fixture list.
"Mentally and physically it is very demanding. Unless you're managed properly you end up staying on the treadmill until you decide to jump off."
[ends]

Its not surprising that he doesn’t acknowledge the RWC was down to having a much better skipper than him – he never has after all – but he has a very good point about the demands we make on our players.

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I suspect Clive is laying the groundwork for an early departure. He has, finally, realised that it's one thing to be carried to a WRC title on the coat tails of one of the great rugby players, but another thing actually to have to build and coach a team.


We will know by the end of today. He is meeting his boss this morning. The Soccer rumours are actually very serious (Southampton of all places – with a view to England in the future). Even if he does stay with the rugby until 2007 on his current contract he seems likely to jump sports then. He has spoken about his desire to try his coaching methods in different sports.

What more proof do we need that the ego is totally out of control? Time for a change I think.

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I would've thought it would've been Havak doing the

while finbar would've been ?

...

I mean this is good news for England after all, is it not?


[Edit: Crikey. Tis yet again almost time for a new thread. Suggestions?]


Who showed you how to use the smilies!?

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How nice to see the old Aussie-Kiwi interplay return to the thread.


He's discovered smilies! Like a kid with a new toy! Or even G. Henry with a new 5/8!

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We need much more of this now England are at the start of a long rebuild (and are therefore a ducks in barrel target)


Lord, let the water remain still and the ducks be paralysed!

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I wonder if Blades wishes he was back with the Falcons?


I bet he does. He has quit the Wallabies "to pursue business opportunities".

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Win the S12, get booted. Sad that he is totally lost to Aussie rugger for now.


The problem with the Brumbies is that you can never tell what influence Nucifora had. They've played exactly the same game since they first arrived. Moulded by Rod Macqueen, developed by Eddie. The senior players were there at the outset and now basically run the show. The team's real test will come when those senior players retire. That's when they're going to need guidance.

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I suspect comparatively he is coming to the ‘big city’. In terms of numbers the East Mids must have over half the population of the whole of NZ at least.


He's going to New York by comparison! New Zealand's population, as of today, is 4,067,564. Well, 4,067, 564 1/2, on account of ravagon's heart being there if not his size 12s.

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He seems to prefer former colonies. I am sure Australia will welcome him?


The Prime Minister might. He, of course, worships the chap's dear old, now addled Mum.

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Dallaglio caught everybody out with the speed of his decision – the press conference was called very late indeed – only 12 hours notice.


I'd love to know what went on behind the scenes to bring this about. Smells a bit odd to me. Particularly juxtaposed with the stories about Clive.

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but he has a very good point about the demands we make on our players.


Absolutely.

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We will know by the end of today. He is meeting his boss this morning. The Soccer rumours are actually very serious (Southampton of all places – with a view to England in the future).


What exactly is the purpose of the meeting? Who called it? I find this meeting oddest of all. I suspect that he really does want out. He won his WRC. The road in front of him is a long and potentially painful one. Maybe too long and too potentially painful.

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RFU chief executive Francis Baron 'invited' him in for a meeting today Finbar.

He may have brought the game into disrepute with some of the things he has said to the media. Some of them were certainly ill advised.

Try this for size:

"I love football and I go to as many games as I possibly can. I never had that passion for rugby I have for football. I never got into rugby in the same way."

"I was forced into playing rugby, because that's the only game the school played. And I hated it. I ran away a couple of times because of football. I didn't mind being at boarding school. I just hated not playing football."

Sounds like a man wanting to be released to me? You cant have a national rugby coach saying he likes (or perhaps liked?) a lame sport* played by overpaid wimps more than our beloved Union.

* Insert League or Soccer as appropriate

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It's exactly what it sounds like to me. What a truly bizarre collection of things for a national team coach to say.

 
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