13-06-2004 12:09									#61
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Another thing that should be mentioned: The Zens come with a user-removable battery. That means it's possible to buy secondary batteries for long trips, or replace it later when the battery doesn't hold its charge as long as it used to. As you may recall, this is a bigissue with the iPod these days...

	13-06-2004 12:11									#62
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten That's a BAM. Pardon me for ignoring things that aren't actually true...

You can't honestly look at the overwhelming trend, the increased number of big-name competitors, and the slim lead Apple had the last time the market was surveyed and still think the iTunes Music Store is going to stay #1 for the forseeable future. Either way, it doesn't matter. How important is it if the #1 has a minority of marketshare, which is declining?

quote: The iTMS has features unique to it that some people like.

Name them...

	13-06-2004 12:14									#63
	Put an end to popups!

I'd love to continue this, but I have to take a shower and break out. Nothing but love for ya, Glonkie; I hope you sell some Zens today...

	13-06-2004 12:14									#64
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

This whole "iTunes is #1" thing is nonsense, anyway.

The market for downloadable music can be looked at as follows:
1. Apple proprietary
2. WMA

Apple proprietary (iTunes) has 35%, while WMA has 65%. That's the important figure, since it doesn't matter which store you buy from when you're looking at the player...

	13-06-2004 14:17									#65
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by ADG When is this set to be released?

*Bump*


I still haven't seen the release date anywhere

	13-06-2004 14:31									#66
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

It's now avaliable for pre-order on amazon.com, but they don't mention the date

	13-06-2004 15:59									#67
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Ever seen a Creative commercial on TV?

No I haven't... wait, that's the point, isn't it?!


Creative's marketing department is either TEH SUXX0R, or inexistant ( For their sake, I hope it's the later, since the former means a loss of money )

	13-06-2004 16:42									#68
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Unbiased observers point of view?

I hate to disappoint the Drake of Bukkake Bay, but I think the apple's just been pissed all over.

	13-06-2004 18:02									#69
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Time will tell. Creative better get these new players out quick if they want to piss all over Apple, though; it looks like new iPods with 60GB of hard drive space are coming around September.

	13-06-2004 18:09									#70
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I just found this:

http://www.creative.com/corporate/p...?section=7thjun

quote: The new Creative Zen Touch 20GB, available today for preorder online at Amazon.com and www.creative.com for $US269.99, is slated for shipment this month.

	13-06-2004 21:16									#71
	Remove this text

How many here have pre-ordered it (or is about to), or are considering buying it shortly after release?

I haven't preordered it because I hope to get it from some shop closer, like Amazon.co.uk or maybe even a local shop... but only if they have it at the same price, and gets it ASAP...
At present time I'm 95% sure that I'm going to buy this...

	13-06-2004 21:49									#72
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Time will tell. Creative better get these new players out quick if they want to piss all over Apple, though; it looks like new iPods with 60GB of hard drive space are coming around September.

Seeing as the iPod and the Zen use the same harddrive, that would be coming soon to the Zen, too.

IGN speculates, based on Creative's history, that 40GB and 60GB versions will be quietly launched a few weeks after this one starts shipping, in a few weeks.

Looking at the price difference, I don't think it's important that Apple will have a 60GB version. It'll probably cost $999...

	13-06-2004 22:49									#73
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

But the STYLE, Asher! The STYLE!

	14-06-2004 00:13									#74
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: The new Zen Touch: 24 hours battery life...

I thought this thread was going to be about some sort of new age vibrator.

	14-06-2004 00:25									#75
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

the biggest question in my mind is this: does it, if it already has music on the player, connect it to a computer with no music, erase the entire damn player like the ipod?

	14-06-2004 01:43									#76
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Why should it? Would be very stupid if it did..

	14-06-2004 02:10									#77
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

the iPod does that?

	14-06-2004 12:40									#78
	Full PM-box? Change here!

yes, it does. i found out later that there's an ipod utility which prevents it, but it's not from apple, and i learned it after i'd nuked a friend's ipod.

	14-06-2004 12:49									#79
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Wouldn't setting the iPod's syncing to manual avoid that problem? I'm curious, as my friend got an iPod and has been using my computer to manage it while his computer is in the shop. Don't want his iPod to get erased once when he switches back over to his computer.

	14-06-2004 20:42									#80
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

i don't know if it does. itunes wasn't even open (but it had been installed) when we plugged it in. his entire blues collection went down the drain immediately after.

	14-06-2004 20:44									#81
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Now that's an example of intelligent design.

	14-06-2004 20:48									#82
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

It sounds like you had the iPod set to automatically sync with the iTunes playlist; that's why it opened up iTunes and emptied your friends iPod to match the empty iTunes playlist. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't have happened if you had set the iPod to manually update only.

	14-06-2004 20:49									#83
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

what i still don't understand is why that was even a design "feature".

	14-06-2004 20:50									#84
	Edit: To Drake Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I don't think that's the point. Even an automatic update should know better, or at least prompt a confirmation saying "Synchronising will cause the deletion of X files on the iPod. Do you wish to continue?"

This is extremely basic human-computer interface 101 stuff, and I thought this was Apple's forte.

	14-06-2004 20:55									#85
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: what i still don't understand is why that was even a design "feature".

Automatic syncing is hella convenient 99% of the time. I'm having trouble even thinking of a situation where I would be in danger of accidentally erasing the files on my iPod. And even if I do, it takes like 15 minutes hooked up to my computer to refill it.

	14-06-2004 20:56									#86
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I can't see where it could ever be convenient

	14-06-2004 20:57									#87
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: what i still don't understand is why that was even a design "feature". Automatic syncing is hella convenient 99% of the time. I'm having trouble even thinking of a situation where I would be in danger of accidentally erasing the files on my iPod. And even if I do, it takes like 15 minutes hooked up to my computer to refill it.

I'm sure he doesn't have a problem with autosync, because it is definintely useful for me.

The problem is with autosync being braindead, enough to cause you to lose files in a situation that's hardly obscure...if you're going to be deleting user's files, you always ask for confirmation. It's a basic, fundamental rule.

	14-06-2004 20:58									#88
	Remove this text

quote: Automatic syncing is hella convenient 99% of the time. I'm having trouble even thinking of a situation where I would be in danger of accidentally erasing the files on my iPod. And even if I do, it takes like 15 minutes hooked up to my computer to refill it.

autosyncing is convenient. we'd done a fresh reformat/reinstall, though, so there was no music on his computer at all--his whole collection was on the ipod.

which is why we were both quite miffed when we realized what was happening.

	14-06-2004 21:03									#89
	Support Apolyton

The autosync I use tells me "X files will be added, X files will be removed from your Nomad Zen. Do you wish to continue"? Yes/No/Customize.

Similarly for adding/deleting from the PC.

	14-06-2004 21:03									#90
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: if you're going to be deleting user's files, you always ask for confirmation.

Most users already made a concious choice to delete that file by erasing it from their iTunes playlist. Why would it be intelligent to make them confirm it again during what is supposed to be a quick and hassle-free autosync?

quote: autosyncing is convenient. we'd done a fresh reformat/reinstall, though, so there was no music on his computer at all--his whole collection was on the ipod. which is why we were both quite miffed when we realized what was happening.

Ouch. No backup, either?