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Agathon
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Leafs 4TW!! - CPA
Dec 2002
time: 00:36
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Not everyone thinks as Asher does.
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Is Creative Losing Touch?
At least Apple's player keeps getting better. I'm not sure I can say the same for Creative's offering. I took a brief look at the company's newest hard drive player, the 20GB Zen Touch. At $270, it seems like a step in the right direction. It's smaller. It has a nifty touchpad control that's easy to use. And I thought it would have the same ultra-powerful interface for selecting and playing songs.
But it doesn't. Sigh.
You might remember that a few months ago I went a little nuts (in a good way) over the playlist interface for Creative's Nomad Zen. I mean, I loved this thing. It absolutely changed the way I listen to music. The idea of an IPod-sized player with that interface had me drooling.
But no, Creative wanted to simplify things, to aim for the ease-of-use found in its IPod rivals. So with its latest player, there's no more moving songs around within a playlist. No more treating albums and artists as objects so you can collapse them for easy navigation or move a full album of tracks with a few clicks. Gone. Poof. No more. And no "advanced menus" option that brings these features back.
I can hold out hope for a firmware upgrade, I suppose. But I can't help thinking that Creative really dropped the ball here. How, exactly, do you sell this device? With a powerful interface, you could pitch it as the power user's MP3 player. Without it, the Zen Touch just comes off as a slightly larger, slightly heavier IPod. Sure, it's $30 cheaper and it's got 24 hours of battery life. But that's not going to put a dent in IPod sales, is it? Especially not when people pick it up and realize it still uses pick-list commands for many of its functions. Looks a lot like a poor IPod knock-off, doesn't it?
Like Gary Oldman playing Zorg in The Fifth Element, I am very dis-a-point-ed. |
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/arti...d,117220,00.asp
But then again, one can throw around reviews and stats. The only rational thing to do is try out the different players.
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Agathon
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Leafs 4TW!! - CPA
Dec 2002
time: 00:36
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Funny that you link an article that blasts Creative for making their player more like Apple's, in a negative way. |
That's the most half witted response I've seen this week.
I'm guessing it's either because you can't read or because you didn't bother reading the rest of the article. If you read the whole article, you would see that the ipod is reviewed in the same article (I only copied the part about the Zen touch - but the link is there).
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Tech products change as often as the discs in my CD player. New versions, tweaks, and updates come along all the time. Sometimes you're handed a product like Creative's Zen Touch, and it's tough to tell how people will react. Other times, well, you're looking at Apple's new IPods. This month I've taken brief looks at new players from both these companies. One's taking steps in the right direction; the other I'm not so sure about. |
I'll give you a hint: the Zen touch is not the one taking steps in the right direction. Hence, his comparison is negative for the Zen, positive for the ipod.
In other words, if you want to take this guy as credible (which I don't - I just said that not everyone thinks the ZT is that good), then the ZT is inferior to the ipod. That is, if you want to take him as saying the old Zen is better. You can't have it both ways.
You've been pwned. And so easily, I might add.
Last edited by Agathon on 18-08-2004 at 06:34
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:36
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Originally posted by Agathon
Nice try. As I said, you can't have it both ways.
He's saying that they tried and failed. |
He's saying he loved the original playlist, doesn't like the new one.
A simple firmware update can (and likely will) change that.
What's important to note is your own article admits the original Zen's interface is the ultimate.
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Of course, you could keep trying to weasel out of a patently idiotic interpretation of the article, but I'm not interested in your pathetic justifications. It's obvious. |
It's not a patently idiotic interpretation, it's a simple one: he thought the old Zen firmware was the ultimate, doesn't like the new one. A simple firmware update to allow oldschool functionality completely undermines that point.
Further, it enhances my position over the past two years that the (older) Zen's interface is actually superior to the iPod's. He says so himself right in your article.
When Creatives allows the oldstyle firmware on the new players, we're back to having a cheaper, better, longer-lasting player vs the iPod. 
He also never says anything about the new iPod being better. He says he does like the changes -- big whup. It's still woefully under-featured, sub-par quality, overpriced player, improvement or no.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:36
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Originally posted by Agathon
If any of you think that is what the article says, you should report immediately to an asylum. |
Read everyone else's response...maybe it's you (again) that's totally off-base.
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That's what he says. |
Read it again, ace.
He praises the oldschool Zen, blasts the new one for trying to be like the iPod's interface (it doesn't matter if the new one is "inferior" to the iPod's interface, because it still remains true that the old one was significantly better).
It's an inferior copy in that it's not exactly the same as the iPod. He still gives the clear impression that he prefers the Zen, especially the older Zens. Of course the ZT wouldn't be a perfect clone of the iPod, hence being an "inferior copy". But why don't you read the article? It says, explicitly, that the Zen is trying to be like the iPod, and then he also says the Zen is heading in the wrong direction. Connect the dots.
It's plain as day to everyone else, you're just under the typical Apple Distortion Field.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:36
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the article you linked to, ag, says something along these lines:
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By now, you know where you stand on Apple's famous portable player: You either love it, or you're unimpressed. So here's a simple take on the new versions: Yes, the new models are much better. Apple's offering 20GB and 40GB IPods for $299 and $399, respectively--that's $100 less for the same capacity as earlier models. The company's built in some very real improvements as well, including easier navigation and better battery life. And yet these IPods aren't likely to win over power users holding out for the perfect MP3 player. |
he's saying not much has changed to make it anything more than what it was... and if you weren't impressed before, all the new additions are fairly unsubstantive, therefore, he's saying, "move along, there's nothing to see here"....
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