14-06-2004 21:06									#91
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no mp3 backups. he did have a lot of the cds, and much of his music on other people's computers over the dorm LAN, but nobody had his blues collection.

the question still remains in my mind, though: would the zen do that?

	14-06-2004 21:49									#92
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	14-06-2004 22:32									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Most users already made a concious choice to delete that file by erasing it from their iTunes playlist. Why would it be intelligent to make them confirm it again during what is supposed to be a quick and hassle-free autosync?

So make it an option -- "do not ask me again".

And why? Because it doesn't even send the files to the trash can, it DELETES them. What if you hook your iPod up to your friends computer to transfer a song to it? What if your harddrive is reformatted and you connect your iPod to it?

The thing may be quick and hassle-free, but a simple confirmation dialog is trivial and can save a LOT of trouble. It's a simple, fundamental design decision.

If you're not going to ask, at least put the deleted files into the Trash so they can be recovered.

The simple answer to 'why is it intelligent to ask' is because not-asking results in unexpected behavior and the irrecoverable loss of data. Hell, if these were purchased songs, they'd lose their licenses, too...

Atahualpa: Lick my geek balls.

	14-06-2004 22:34									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich Atahualpa

	14-06-2004 22:39									#96
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quote: Most users already made a concious choice to delete that file by erasing it from their iTunes playlist.

By the way, deleting a file from a playlist in iTunes deletes the song? That makes no sense whatsoever.

	14-06-2004 22:44									#97
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quote: That makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes it does. Jesus, how can you criticize something when you don't even have a basic idea of how it works?

	14-06-2004 22:47									#98
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quote: The thing may be quick and hassle-free, but a simple confirmation dialog is trivial and can save a LOT of trouble. It's a simple, fundamental design decision.

No confomation box is a HUGE design flaw.

	14-06-2004 22:48									#99
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	14-06-2004 22:48									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Yes it does. Jesus, how can you criticize something when you don't even have a basic idea of how it works?

A playlist is a list of things to be played. Deleting it from the list should not delete the file.

A playlist is akin to what a DJ might have for a radio station, a list of songs he wants to play. When he removes one from the list, it doesn't mean he goes into the back room and snaps the CD in two...

If it behaves differently than this, it should not be called a playlist. Call it the media library or something.

	14-06-2004 22:48									#101
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I'm going to agree with Asher here... that makes no sense...
This would be the same as if you deletes a song from the WinAmp playlist, and it automaticly deletes the song from the computer

	14-06-2004 22:52									#102
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quote: A playlist is a list of things to be played. Deleting it from the list should not delete the file. A playlist is akin to what a DJ might have for a radio station, a list of songs he wants to play. When he removes one from the list, it doesn't mean he goes into the back room and snaps the CD in two... If it behaves differently than this, it should not be called a playlist. Call it the media library or something.

Ah, semantics, the last refuge of the scoundrel.

I guess this is my cue to go to bed...

	14-06-2004 22:53									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Ah, semantics, the last refuge of the scoundrel. I guess this is my cue to go to bed...

It's not semantics.

You said the user makes a "concious" choice to delete the file when he deletes it from the playlist. Clearly this is not the case, with the vast majority of people here saying that is not the expected behavior.

That's not a semantic argument, it's a valid argument, and one that completely shut you down.

	14-06-2004 22:54									#104
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Always good for a laugh.

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It is, isn't it.

	19-06-2004 16:06									#106
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I had a look around several msg boards, where people who have pre-ordered this thing from Amazon was told the release date was August 9th

	20-06-2004 23:07									#107
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august nine, if you recall was the date of the nagasaki bombing.

	21-06-2004 08:33									#108
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Fugging racists...

Anyway, Creative is only going to beat the new iPods to the market by a month or so? That's not good for them...

	21-06-2004 11:02									#109
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What's so dandy about the new iPods?

	22-06-2004 01:36									#110
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They're stylish. Didn't you know?

	22-06-2004 01:37									#111
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I just had a look at one of those iPods, but wouldn't call them better looking as the Zen Touch... IMHO I'd say the iPod was actually more ugly...

	22-06-2004 01:38									#112
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What do the new iPods look like?

	22-06-2004 07:13									#113
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No one knows. It's a secret.

	22-06-2004 22:57									#114
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I found a high-resolution image of the Zen Touch here:

http://www.creative.com/products/im...touch_front.jpg

	29-06-2004 01:26									#115
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In 2 days it's the last day of the month, and it still haven't been released

	30-06-2004 17:11									#116
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This is the last day, but it still haven't been released... has anyone heard any news about it?

	19-07-2004 18:05									#117
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Still nothing

I need this in 3 weeks, so they'd better hurry

	19-07-2004 19:16									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What's so dandy about the new iPods?

They're one millimeter thinner.

One millimeter! My god! Now I have to rush out and order 20 because that's so cool and I have to have lots of them.

	19-07-2004 19:33									#119
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And they got rid of a lot of buttons to reduce cost, as a "feature". Now you can do the same thing via an array of actions on the little touchwheel thing ...

They're also slowly trying to catch up to the Zen's featureset: They added the ability to slow down or speed up songs, boosted the battery life to 12 hours (only slightly less than the first Zen in early 2002...), and ability to fully edit playlists "on the fly".

Soon it'll be adding a more powerful equalizer and environmental effects... Give it a few more years.

Hell, maybe by 2010 they'll put in a high-quality DSP and DAC.

	19-07-2004 20:31									#120
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Sweet, the new iPods are out.