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snoopy369 is offline snoopy369

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That would make me sad =( given the nice start i had in the last one.

Ah well.

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Ok, I loaded the last game Sir Ralph sent me, and got a different starting location. How about we start from scratch?

Sir Ralph, could you set up a whole new game for us? Now that we've got all the kinks worked out I imagine this will be the last request we make of you!

(By the way, I did get your email yesterday, but mine obviously did not get to you...).

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I'm fine (well, obviously) with keeping civs and map. I'm fairly sure i'd be fine even if i had drawn ... gasp ... the portuguese.


Portugal starts with Alphabet and Pottery. You could do worse (IMO you cannot do any better)...

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Well, yes, but you can make up for that start. I just don't care for the UU mostly, and i'm not as big a fan of expansionist civs as most people here are, just based on my gameplay. (Portugal is expansionist, right?)

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UUs are overrated.

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Exp and Sea.
Nice combo, less than optimal start, a UU I wouldn't likely use much on this map, but a solid set of advantages, to be sure.
Especially with all you other losers getting barbs from huts, muwahahahahahahahahaha!

It's really hard to go too far wrong with any civ if you take advantage at the right times.

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Ok, I will set up a new game for you, after football ends (~30 min).

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Thank you, good Sir.

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4000BC sent to Dominae. An even better map, I think.

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Yes, another big thanks for Sir Ralph.

Beta: your move. I sent it by email; please let me know if you do not get it within the next little while.

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Got it. Not the Babs.

What was up with the previous start?

4000bc save to snoop.

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Got it, not the Mayans. Ah well, i don't usually go on offensive early on anyways.

4000 bc sent from the Byzantines, to Aqualung.

And I agree with ralph that this IS a better start, even than my earlier one. I'm impressed.

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Well, I can categorically say this is a better start than my last one....not that that really says very much

Oh ducki, I just know you're going to love your civ! At least you won't have the Carrack this time

4000BC over to Vovan

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I'm all a-tingle with anticipation now.

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On to Sir Ducki it goes then.

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Ok, there's something I need to bring to everyone's attention.

Playing my first turn, I mislicked one of my unit movement orders and got to see tiles that I normally would not have. I decided to go with it, because it just so happens that one of those tiles is of the Bonus-type, putting me in a much more advantageous position that I would have been had I done what I had planned to do before the misclick.

I felt bad about it then and played on, but I feel worse about it now; I do not want to jumpstart my game just because of some dumb luck.

Since we're still on the first turn, would it be so much trouble to just start over (with the same game, of course)? I would found my city right away, which is what I had planned to do in the first place. As you probably know, this would reveal more than the number of tiles I've already seen by moving, so no real harm would be done.

Of coures, if you guys want to start over with another game yet again, I'm fine with that. So sorry about this...

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I think you should be able to take advantage of luck you get from a mistake, just like you would have played on even if it had been bad luck ...

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The way I see it, you misclicked within the game, so it's not like you cheated or anything. Hence, I don't see why you should feel bad, and why we should restart again. But of course, if you want to restart bad, then it's fine with me.

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I think you should be able to take advantage of luck you get from a mistake, just like you would have played on even if it had been bad luck ...


Yes, but this is not any old mistake, it's a misclick. Call me masochistic: I prefer not to accept such windfalls. As we all know, a slight advantage in the early-game (as in: Food) generates repercussions on the later-game. If this were turn 100, I would not ask for a take-back. But since it's only turn 1 and so things are at the same time critical and easy to repair, I would feel better I started as I should/would have.

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My opinion: it's a much bigger pain for us to fix it, even one turn, than a bonus or anything. Just smile and play on, is my vote. I really don't want to restart for a reason as, honestly, silly as this. Masochistic you may be, but i'm not.

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My opinion: it's a much bigger pain for us to fix it, even one turn, than a bonus or anything.


It's just one turn, out of hundreds we plan to play.

Aqualung71 is offline Aqualung71
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I agree with Snoopy. You would have found the tiles and put anothewr town on the bonus soon anyway. If it upsets you so much Dom, then skip a turn

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Would your first turn have been any different?
This isn't like a reload because you didn't like what your scout saw and wanted to see someplace else.

I think it's fine. Yes, the first 40 turns are very important, but hopefully I'm not as easy to take advantage of as the AI.

God, I hope.

On another note...
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You, sir, are a right bastard. That was too cruel. Good one!

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Dom, sent your turn to the hotmail address I sent AU502 to a while back. If you don't see it, check the Bulk Mail folder - I've heard hotmail are not playing nicely with gmail.
Or give me another address -
I'm at tom dot rowton at gmail dot com.

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You, sir, are a right bastard. That was too cruel. Good one!


I know....but it's so much fun sometimes!

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3950BC sent.

I'm still not sure what the big deal is about just one turn (especially when it hinders your opponent), but then again I'm glad we're finally moving.

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Dom - play on.

Besides - I have had misclicks go the other way.

3950bc to snoopy.

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So everybody has had to turn at least once. I hope you enjoy your game, even though the start of some may be not the same as it was. But I assure you, nobody of you has a horrible start. Nobody has a very sweet one, either. What concerns your choice of civs, I didn't quite understand why you left all random, but since you did, take what's coming to you. I don't even know what everybody plays. I know only Dominaes civ. Beta, I get you aren't the Babs anymore? Don't be sad. At least in this game you won't be overrun. In the other, there's still a warrior running around with the label "Butcher of Babylon" .

The map is an interesting one in many ways, and there are a lot of strategical opportunities for an entertaining game. It took me to generate more than 20 maps (I think even more than 30) till I saw one worthy to work with. I made some changes and added some features, though.

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Well, thanks again for your help, Sir Ralph. I can't say that my position is better or worse than last time - I'm just not sure yet, but I can say it's much better than I have in this one game I'm playing now...

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Oh, is there?

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3950 to Aqualung.

Sir Ralph, mind if I ask how seriously the tech rate was modded, or more specifically the 'min turns'? I'm fairly experienced at civ, and this is the first time i've ever had a 50 turn first advancement with this decent of a start... no matter what science level i choose, 10% to 90%.

Just wondering.

 
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