24-06-2004 09:27									#61
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Ummm....did we agree no restarts?

Just my luck....after recommending we add the wheeled attribute to Conquistadors, I draw Spain! Oh, and a Spain set amongst hills and forests, with water seemingly 2 tiles north, west and east, and a wall of mountains at least 2 tiles thick to the south. Not to mention the 5 tiles of forest in my 9 tile town!

Not that I'm complaining...after all, I did start on a river.

Oh, and Dom drew Celts. Those GS don't have wheels, do they? Nice

Anyway, couldn't find Vovan's email address posted here, so have PM'd him to send it to me.

	24-06-2004 18:59									#62
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GS only get one move per turn, don't they?

Eww on your start. I like my start personally, so i'd rather not have a restart, but if you ask i'll not object. Sounds like you have a loooousy one.

	24-06-2004 19:13									#63
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Setting aside the fact that I drew the Celts, we did agree before the game started to play random civs and starts with a map checker to make sure everything is fair. Let's give Sir Ralph a little credit and assume this game is more balanced that it initially might seem.

Then again, maybe he goofed with respect to Aqualung71's start. I'll PM him to find out.

Gallic Swordsmen still have 2 movement points and are not Wheeled because they do not require Horses to build. Same with Jags, Impi and Samurai in this mod. I asked about this before the game went up and I assumed that the lack of replies meant that everyone was fine with this (each secretly hoping for the Celts or the Japanese!).

	24-06-2004 19:36									#64
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oh, right. Forgot about that ...

	24-06-2004 19:37									#65
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Don't take my complaints as sour grapes....I just want to lodge an early excuse for losing other than not being good enough

No, I'm quite happy to continue as is - random is random, you adapt as best you can! Spitting the dummy on a start is not in the spirit of PBEM, IMHO

Turn sent to Vovan - thanks for the address Dom. Pretty cool email address Vovan, I must say!

	24-06-2004 19:38									#66
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I didn't "balance" the map. I did exactly what I proposed: making sure nobody starts on an island, and everyone has space for at least 3 size 12 cities, which means grassland or easily irrigatable plains. I added a little river and a sugar resource to ensure the "irrigatable" bit for one of the starting positions. Other than that, the map and all civs are left completely random. I did not touch other resources, be it bonus, luxury or strategic.

If you want me to craft a "balanced" map, I would have to redo it.

	24-06-2004 19:48									#67
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That's what we asked for.

Let's keep moving!

	24-06-2004 20:12									#68
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Dom, I just started up an SP game of the Jane mod to have a look, and it seems the only victory method is domination, and there is victory point scoring enabled. Is this right or have I screwed it up somehow?

	24-06-2004 22:00									#69
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Hey, sorry 'bout that, Aqualung. I thought I'd posted my addy here somewhere.

Okay, now I have the same problem though. Anyone know ducki's email?

	24-06-2004 23:12									#70
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Sent you my addy in pm. Haven't been able to access 'poly for over a week, good timing, eh?
Anyway, I'd like to find out about the victory conditions too, before we go too far, since the "flavor" of the game _might_ make domination near impossible, no?


Edit: Won't be able to play until this evening, though. Work, don't ya' know.

	24-06-2004 23:37									#71
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Ah, sweet, thanks. On to you, ducki.

	25-06-2004 01:06									#72
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Well, my version of the mod looks fine. Maybe Sir Ralph forgot to check the standard victory conditions (you have to do it manually in the MP setup screen even when you load a scenario)?

In any case, our game is at Regent level too, so we should start over to correct that. As alexman noted, the way to do is to set the difficulty in the setup screen before loading in the scenario.

We'll get these games humming along eventually!

	25-06-2004 01:39									#73
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Aww, and I had a nice starting position, too.

Well, if we're missing victory conditions, and playing on too easy a level, a restart is fine with me.

	25-06-2004 05:30									#74
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I imagine Sir Ralph kept the map.

	25-06-2004 05:46									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae I imagine Sir Ralph kept the map.

Ah, it's all good either way.

	25-06-2004 07:28									#76
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Oh, yay, so I'm not holding it up? Woopie!
I had to come double check where I can settle. I dislike my starting location for a very minor reason and wanted to make sure moving wouldn't help me out.

Now, to check where I can settle and what modifications we've made to other things.

I'll be ready next time it comes around. Wheee!


Edit: I was unable to reach 'poly for some time, so I missed the turn order discussion. There's no way I can play a morning turn, not with the little one already slowing down my launch into traffic.
I'm CT in the US, so GMT -6. I usually can start playing around 9pm Central (0300 GMT, if my math is right) and only have a couple of hours before it's bedtime for ducki.

Not sure how that fits with the play order, but whatever works, works. Whoever is after me, PM me your email if possible.

Last edited by ducki on 25-06-2004 at 07:38

	25-06-2004 11:03									#77
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I will look into it when I return from work

	25-06-2004 17:59									#78
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Ok, I am at home now and tried to fix it. I still have the scenario, no big deal. I set the difficulty before loading the scenario this time. Victory conditions also seem fine now. However I noticed, that the game assigns other civs.

If you want to preserve your civs, I need to know them (didn't pay attention), and I will set them instead of random. If not, I can bring the new game anytime.

	25-06-2004 18:12									#79
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Sir Ralph, a quick checklist:

1. Did you set the correct victory conditions in the Multiplayer Setup screen?
2. Did you set the difficulty to Emperor (it appears as "Custom" after you load the scenario in)?

As for the civs, my opinion is that if we have the same map, we might as well have the same civs (I would say that, as the Celts!). Just assign the civs manually in the Setup screen.

Dominae: Celts
Beta: Babylon
snoopy369: Maya
Aqualung71: Spanish
vovan: Vikings
ducky: Portuguese

Edit: I suppose we vote on whether or not we want to have new civs, but this will delay the game further. How about: if 4 or more players respond saying that they want a re-roll, we re-roll.

	25-06-2004 18:42									#80
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Keep the same civs. I think I was the only one who vented frustration, and I don't want to feel guilty about it

	25-06-2004 19:43									#81
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I'm not really a fan of the Ports - I think Aqua and I are the only ones that would want to change, so no biggie. I mean, who would vote to give up GS's or 'Zerkers or, dear god, don't let me start next to Snoopy or Beta.
But it's cool. I've always wanted to be the Mouse that Roared. (Bonus points for naming the star.)

	25-06-2004 20:03									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae As for the civs, my opinion is that if we have the same map, we might as well have the same civs (I would say that, as the Celts!). Just assign the civs manually in the Setup screen.

Negative on that; I ran a first test and you got Mongolia. That's why I asked in the first place. I will wait another hour, but if nobody speaks up by then I will set up the game with the civs you posted,

	25-06-2004 21:02									#83
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Yes, please set up the scenario as before, except at Emperor difficulty and with the standard victory conditions. Thanks!

	25-06-2004 21:55									#84
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Well, fwiw, like I said, I don't care either way you put it: same map, different map; same civs, different civs - it's all good as far as I am concerned.

	25-06-2004 22:03									#85
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Well, sure. You got the Vikings. Just race to Invention and open a can. J/K, no sour grapes here. Maybe this'll get me out of the ordinary.

	25-06-2004 22:24									#86
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Are you up for it?
AU 601: Introduction to Multiplayer

	25-06-2004 23:05									#87
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We've been infiltrated by a pink frog! Go back to vine swinging where you belong!

	25-06-2004 23:29									#88
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I just thought you were missing some frog-spam in this thread.

	26-06-2004 09:53									#89
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Frog spam: Reprocessed fly carcasses, packaged in tins. Also known as "Bait".

I'm fine (well, obviously) with keeping civs and map. I'm fairly sure i'd be fine even if i had drawn ... gasp ... the portuguese. Honestly, though, doesn't matter a whole lot to me. But that's the direction i vote if i get a say.

	26-06-2004 12:25									#90
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I emailed a new version to Dominae yesterday evening, but he didn't respond yet. I hope it's ok this time, but I have my doubts, because after it messed up the civs assigned, it might have messed up the order of starting locations too. Mail me if you have problems, in which case I'd make a completely new map.