26-06-2004 06:10									#271
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I all for rasing the age, I also think the 'sex license' is a good idea, however tricky it might prove to be.

	26-06-2004 06:18									#272
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And it's not like the lack of "sex license" will prevent people of having sex either

Besides, I wonder what the "sex license" test would look like. And as a long-time loser, I find the concept revolting: just imagine I didn't have my sex-license when I finally got laid, because I didn't see it coming!

	26-06-2004 06:46									#273
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Geez, you people sound like you've never heard of a chastity belt.

	26-06-2004 06:48									#274
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quote: Why am I not suprised?

You'd prefer 21?

	26-06-2004 07:27									#275
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quote: Originally posted by Elok Geez, you people sound like you've never heard of a chastity belt.

I had to take it off because of the chaffing.

	26-06-2004 07:29									#276
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I've heard of chastity belts. But what are they exactly?

	26-06-2004 07:36									#277
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Basically they are a belt that covers up your sex organ so that nobody can have sex with you. The story goes that the knights of Old Europe would go off to fight and they didn't want anybody messing with their stuff so they put a chasity belt on their woman, and the knights were the only ones that had the key so they could unlock the belt when they came back.

I was surprised to learn that this practice is supposedly still in use! I don't know if it's true or not but they said alot of people had problems keeping the belts clean and the chaffing that goes with them.

Garter belts.

Chasity belts

	26-06-2004 07:42									#278
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Basically iron pantyhose that you locked shut. They used them in the middle ages to prevent noblewomen from getting frisky with the groom while their lords were off raping the peasantry or whatever they did for fun. That, or to absolutely, positively insure that you were giving away a virgin bride. Women could pee through them but that's about it. I think some of them actually had spikes on them just to get the point across. With advances in technology there's no need for anything that cumbersome though. Nowadays we have the discreet Iron Maiden 5000, with double-springloaded titanium jaws. I understand they do a brisk business in the bible belt. And some idiots say abstinence-only sex ed programs don't work...

	26-06-2004 18:59									#279
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how do they **** (poop- damn filter) through them?

	26-06-2004 19:54									#280
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quote: But there is no difference between your statement, and saying that girls of that age should be able to have sex.

I know, but there is a difference between that and saying that girls of that age "should" have sex. "Should be able to" and "should" are different propositions.

quote: Is there any substantial difference between someone of 15 years, and 11 months, and between someone of 16 years? Not really. Yet there is a large difference between someone who is 18, and someone who is 14.

That would seem to imply that any discernable difference is going to occur on an individual basis, a combination of physical readiness and psychological readiness. Were it not for the issue of pragmatics (and don’t get me wrong I think it’s doable but not as easy as some blanket measure… but then that defeats the purpose of this debate) I would suggest my individualistic “sex licence” would be a reasonable alternative. Either that, or we raise the age of consent (I’ve changed my mind… been thinking about it and now I know better) to 18, or at least keep it at 16, but treat that as the point where a licence is no longer required… so if you want to have sex before the age of consent, subject to being capable of doing so, you can.

quote: Personally, I'd rather raise the age to 18, since you would be looking at whether a person at that age would be able to deal with all the consequences of pregnancy. You would err on the side of caution, since it is better to protect someone from harm, then it is worse to make them wait a year or two.

A reasonable position, but I think that toying with the AoC is going to do little or nothing about teenage pregnancies. That should be dealt with on a sociological or educational level, not legal in my opinion.

quote: And it's not like the lack of "sex license" will prevent people of having sex either

True, but one would hope that a number of people would apply for one, in order to protect both the male and female from recourse.

quote: Besides, I wonder what the "sex license" test would look like. And as a long-time loser, I find the concept revolting: just imagine I didn't have my sex-license when I finally got laid, because I didn't see it coming!

Awww poor baby!!!! *hugs*

quote: how do they **** (poop- damn filter) through them?

And as we wind on down the road, our shadows taller than our souls…

	26-06-2004 21:56									#281
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I'm not sure exactly (I'm not an expert on the things), but I think it only obscures the genitals somehow. Sort of a T in the front, more of a triangle in the back. They'd have to be a snug fit to keep people from pushing it out of the way, but still...

Actually, if rape was anywhere near as common in the dark ages as they say, those things might not have been such a stupid idea. No worse than those rapist-resistant jeans some clever entrepreneur introduced a few years back.

	26-06-2004 22:20									#282
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident how do they **** (poop- damn filter) through them?

There's a hole at the back for it. However more modern versions have better ways of keeping sanitary. Ted is right, they're still used by some people, although they're not usually made of iron (would be very heavy). Indeed, they're not even belts in many cases now. There's a surprising amount of thought into that sort of thing

	26-06-2004 22:22									#283
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich Oh yeah, I forgot which. Sorry

They're both disallowed

	26-06-2004 22:24									#284
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Umm, more modern versions?

	26-06-2004 22:35									#285
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Of chastity belts. Yes, they are still made. You want a link to help with 40 days again?

	26-06-2004 22:45									#286
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Hmmm...well I found several links but unfortunatley none of them were postable here. Do a search you'll find them.

	26-06-2004 22:47									#287
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Prozac worked perfectly well thankyou

	27-06-2004 02:14									#288
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Instead of a sex license or simply raising or lowering the age of consent, I believe that society should overhaul this entire category of legislation. I don't disput the original intention of trying to protect young people; however, I do disput its implementations.

If I was going to change this law I would alter it so that a conviction would require proof that a exploitive and harmful relationship/encounter existed. I would also increase the young person's input into the process. Basically, I think an arbitrary number should have little importance, while the actual circumstances of the case should act as the crux of any prosecution. Many of you argued that the system has discretion built into, and I agree to an extent, but I think it needs more leeway. Maybe keep the age of consent, but make it so that jurors must determine that the younger person experienced some kind of tangible harm (including emotional damage) from the relationship/encounter before they could convict on statutory rape. As it is now, basically it's is the younger person x age or below, and is the older person y age and above, if so you must convict. If they changed the burden of proof to show harm instead of basing it simply on age, I'd support raising the Age of Consent to 18.