21-06-2004 22:21									#211
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Crizzap. I almost had a change of heart at the start of this round, too -- Rah just seemed a bit too suspicious with his voting, especially voting for Kalius last round. I had no expectation of Smiley changing his plans of voting for me, though.

My biggest mistake was that I was stuck on trying to link the clues to the historical figures, not to the posters. (Especially since all of the gjramsey clues were linked to Franklin and not gjramsey.)

Last edited by loinburger on 21-06-2004 at 22:29

	21-06-2004 22:51									#212
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu Wow such a great play rah! And I helped you in saying "it couldn't be rah because I would have been killed much earlier" right? But you didn't kill me did you?

No I didn't. I was afraid if I did, you'd start accusing me. I wanted to stay beneath the radar early, (since I too sometime vote for the person with the most posts in the thread figuring they have a need to manipulate.)

I actually even wacked a couple of people that voted for me that round, which I normally would never do. But the clues were so obvious (at least to me ) that I started acting out of desperation.

	21-06-2004 22:55									#213
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Since I am still realitivly new posting to 'poly, not much anyone can do to link to me as a poster. Even though Jamski did good a couple of Mafia back with my arse

Does make the game a little more interesting figuring the clues. And the ones for Rah were pretty darned good.

	21-06-2004 22:57									#214
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Great game... nice playing rah

	21-06-2004 23:03									#215
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Thanx, I killed you at the end because I figured you wouldn't be fooled and vote for me at the end.

But I am surprised that no one (Loin) didn't read the previous just prior to voting, I figured a change in the killing style for the last important one would attract more scrutiny. I was planning that he would continue his previous voting, which is why I left him alive. The same with smiley.

	21-06-2004 23:06									#216
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Congrats, Rah. I'm honored to have participated in a Maffia were one survives.

	21-06-2004 23:26									#217
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Clues that pointed to rah.


Chapter 1 – Where is the heir?


Clue 1

quote: “It is the best of times, it is the worst of times, there are a king with a large jaw and a queen with a fair face, on the throne of France”, citizen Hébert started his speech.

A tale of two cities by Charles Dickens. The main character is a revolutionary and also twin.


Clue 2

quote: Guillotin said. “... And to make sure this law is not vetoed I introduced the King with the design of my machine. He even gave some very useful remarks about the blade that should be triangular, placed at an angle rather than horizontal, which I incorporated into my design.”

Which shows he’s King’s friend. (recorded for evidence to be used later)


Clue 3

quote: Place de Grève

The square in Paris where the guillotine was first used. Place de Grève is also mentioned in Victor Hugo’s The hunchback of Notre Dame in connection with the guillotine.


Clue 4

quote: flogged to death

Already explained and repeated many times.


Chapter 2 – End to his misery


Clue 5

quote: Place de Grève repeated

Repeating this should have been enough for someone to start looking for it (google anyone?).


Clue 6

quote: This was a particularly strange thing to do since Mr. Pitt has had a perfect alibi for the whole evening yesterday which he had spent with the revolutionary leader George Danton discussing the matters of French politics and preparing for the conference of foreign leaders the next day.

Guynemer’s innocence established.


Clue 7

quote: mob written in italic

recorded for evidence to be used later


Chapter 3 - Too young to die


Clue 8 and 9

quote: “Private Chauvin, have there been any visitors to the Tuileries Palace while you were on duty. Your shift was what? Eight hours long?” “No sir, I took double shift to be free the next day. Fourteen hours long, Sir.” “Yes, fourteen hours long. So, who came to visit the King?” “Many people Sir, but all of them King’s friends.” “So, none of the Jacobins if I understand correctly.” “None of them Sir, but many others.”

This conversation contained 2 clues.
First an odd arithmetic of Skanky and Hercules (2 times 8 equals 14 instead of 16) should have rung the bell that 14 was somehow significant. Fourteen is rah’s number in the table.
Second, Chauvin exonerated all Jacobins and implicated King’s friends (link with clue 2).


Clue 10

quote: Place St. Antoine

Another square which hosted the guillotine for a while in the revolutionary period.


Chapter 4 - His luck has just run out


Clue 11

quote: Guillotin informed the marquis about his examination of the body of Prince Louis and how he had discovered something strange. Previously he had thought the murderer had inflicted the injuries using a whip, or a cord of some kind. But after the preliminary examination he was no longer sure. Judging by the lesions on the Prince’s body, the murderer was probably using a stick of some kind.

A stick was used to flog people, not a whip.


Clue 12

quote: “It is obviously the work of a madman. An insane, unreasonable man”, Guillotin commented the killer’s state of mind. “Not necessarily, my friend”, replied comte de Sade. “I have spent my entire life studying the human character. Judging by what I have seen, our killer is not deranged at all. I believe he appears as a model of sanity, paradigm of reason during the day. But his other nature, the vile, devious, sadistic one shows during the night.” “Yes, sadistic indeed.”

Our Prince of moderators is also known as Master of Reason.


Chapter 5 – The King is dead, long live the King


Clue 13

quote: “It is the age of wisdom, it is the age of foolishness, it is the epoch of belief, it is the epoch of incredulity”, Hébert started his speech.

Again a quote from A tale of two cities by Charles Dickens.


Clue 14

quote: Place du Carroussel

A square where most of the political executions took place.


Clue 15

quote: Yes, Maria. Mister Jefferson can arrange for your papers and you can leave France tomorrow. Meet us, please, in a cafe at the Revolution Plaza.

Revolution Plaza = Place de la Révolution, the square where King Louis, Queen Marie-Antoinette, Robespierre and his friends and the most of people during the Reign of Terror were guillotined.


Clue 16

quote: Cafe Stock

Cafe Stock = café Stick, the murder weapon. Clues 15 and 16 were from the conversation in German.


Chapter 6 – Free at last


Clue 17

quote: mob written in italic again

recorded for evidence to be used later


Clue 18

quote: “Rich!”

Rah’s name.


Chapter 7 - American in Paris


Clue 19 and 20

quote: barrière du Trône, Place de Grève repeated third time

Places that hosted the guillotine between 1792 and 1794.


Clue 21

quote: His body was already badly decomposed having bite marks of various species of small mammals such as mice, rats, weasels, etc.

Mice, rats, weasels, ferrets, …


Clue 22

quote: small jade figurine

Ming dynasty jade figurine.


Chapter 8 – A farewell to short Corsican


Clue 23

quote: “General Bonaparte, I have examined Mr. Jefferson’s body and I am certain now the killer did the flogging using some kind of stick. The bite marks appeared to be quite deliberate and they were consistent with bites of several species of polecats. It is a monstrous work of a deranged sadistic individual who was so extreme in his obsession that he would go to such lengths to arrange the killings in the way he did.” “I don’t share your views Dr. Guillotin. I don’t see him as a very extreme person. In fact he might seem quite moderate. Otherwise we would have got him by now. But thanks for your findings anyway.”

Rah’s a moderator.


Chapter 9 - An elegant death


Clue 24

quote: Place de la Révolution

Mentioned again in connection with the killings.


Clue 25

quote: rare, ornate porcelain vase

Ming dynasty china.


Chapter 10 – Death to the tyrant


Clue 26

quote: Place de la Révolution

How many times do I have to repeat this?


Clue 27

quote: Barriere Ranverse

Guillotine stood there.


Clue 28

quote: His half naked body was discovered next morning in a sarcophagus in the Musee du Louvre. Guynemer was lying there, face up, his arms crossed, apparently flogged to death.

Sarcophagus and crossed arms are the symbols of the ancient Egyptian kings = Rah (remember his previous avatar).


Chapter 11 - Counter-revolution at work


Clue 29

quote: "It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done.”

Another line from A tale of two cities by Charles Dickens.


Clue 30

quote: Comte de Mirabeau was so irritated he could hold his thoughts no more. “And the same mob was shouting death to the King a week ago. I hate the mob. It is so unreasonable.” “That’s why it’s called the mob”, replied Guillotin.

An obscure clue but in connection with clues 7 and 17 and the next clue 34 produces one of rah’s best lines.
“Mob, mod, same irrational behaviour.”
One of you used to have this line in their signature. You Hong Hu?


Clue 31

quote: Place de la Révolution again

quote: the zodiac

There are 12 zodiac signs. Only virgin and Gemini point to people. Gemini points directly at him.


Chapter 12 – Revolution revived


Clue 32

quote: There a heated discussion ensued which resulted in the removal of King Louis by a majority of just 23 votes out of 749 representatives. His death sentence was adopted with an even thinner majority of only 14 votes. The issue of the introduction of the Directorate received a much higher majority of 156 votes.

Quite unusual report on voting. Contains number 14 (rah’s number).


Clue 33

quote: There, he received his last meal, a thin slice of toasted bread with butter and a cup of stale water, quite unlike the cakes and champagne he used to consume while he was spending the days in idle self-indulgence at the court.

What rah likes to say closing the threads? Toast!


Clue 34

quote: Mirabeau was irritated. “This is a good example of the irrational behaviour of the mob. Yesterday the same people were shouting Long live the King and listen to them now.”

Clue 35

quote: “It is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known”

Final line from A tale of two cities by Charles Dickens.


Clue 36

quote: “Hmm, very strange. It doesn’t look like the usual weapon the killer was using. Something seems backwards, since it looks like a club was used to flog the person this time.”

Flog backwards is golf.

	21-06-2004 23:48									#218
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Gjramsey


Jamski got the clues from the second chapter.

quote: Blackened fingers, as anyone knows from Name of the Rose, mean poison from turning the pages of a book, and licking the fingers, and lead poisoning suggests a pencil. Who was writing a lot?

On the papers there was Sa+under then Rich and then poor.

Poor Richard’s Almanac or Richard Saunders Franklin’s byname.

The funny thing about the clue Rich is that it points to both mafias.


You have gotten the kite clue already.

Then there was the soap and the candle. Benjamin Franklin’s father was soap and candle maker.

Then there were the stove and the swimming fin, both Franklin’s inventions.

The badge PUFC means Philadelphia's Union Fire Company. I even mentioned Philadelphia a few paragraphs before.

The bells striking 7 o’clock were the liberty bells of course.

Also poisoning was the method because of Benjamin Franklin's age.

And he left so many clues at the crime scenes because he was unable to overcome the rigour mortis of his victims.

	21-06-2004 23:49									#219
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Damn, I missed some the them.

The continued references to TALE OF TWO CITIES, I thought would be more troublesome. But fortunately people just took them as color for the setting used.

Yes, a lot of somewhat obscure clues, but look how many there were. Great job creating them. I only helped a a couple. And for those that say they were all too obscure, there was a card that said "RICH"

	22-06-2004 00:21									#220
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko quote: Originally posted by Smiley rhomboid wood frame wood was exposed to intense heat for a short period of time Clues related to the previous murder, namely the poisoning mafia. quote: Originally posted by Smiley barrière du Trône Place de Grève small mammals such as mice, rats, weasels, etc. Jade figurine Clues related to the flogging mafia.

I nearly killed both mafias with this single post. Then the Jacobin card red herring had to follow. I didn't expect anyone would buy it, though

	22-06-2004 00:29									#221
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Yes, thank god for the Jacobin card.

	22-06-2004 00:44									#222
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I Googled the Place de Greve. I thought it was flavor, and more to the point, I had already ruled out Guilotin because, like loinburger, I was looking almost entirely for historical clues and Guilotin didn't fit.

-tko: That post DID get Franklin, since after reading it I came to my kite conclusion.

I still don't get the Tale of Two Cities references, though. I mean, I noticed them, but is that rah's favorite book or something?

	22-06-2004 00:46									#223
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Color me impressed.


Snowfire, re: Tale of Two Cities--the main character is a twin.

	22-06-2004 00:49									#224
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Wow. Great clues.

I would've loved to try to decipher them, but I couldn't and wouldn't since these idiots executed me.

	22-06-2004 00:51									#225
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It is possible that some don't realize that I'm Ming's twin. Nawwww

	22-06-2004 00:53									#226
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I log on in the afternoon for once and miss it all. Meh.

	22-06-2004 01:04									#227
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quote: Originally posted by rah But I am surprised that no one (Loin) didn't read the previous just prior to voting, I figured a change in the killing style for the last important one would attract more scrutiny.

It's possible that I'd've pinned it on you if I'd been trying to attach clues to posters, but as it stood, it's pretty tough to link "clubs" to either Guillotin or Mirabeau...

	22-06-2004 02:32									#228
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Previoius Mafia games have had clues that referred to the poster and not the character. Why would this game be any different.

	22-06-2004 02:48									#229
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I haven't played Mafia before (see, for example, my inability to properly vote in the first round, leading to many unintended votes for bold), so I just assumed that the clues left about the flogger would follow the same pattern as the clues left about the poisoner.

	22-06-2004 05:40									#230
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Apparently Ming didn't get all the evil.
Well played Rah.

	22-06-2004 09:47									#231
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dam lube for posting a red herring that diverted attention. i was so certian it was rah after the weasel comment and the jade vase..

but was to oscared to vote for him without a docpile starting..

Finally your Jacobian card stumped me. But at last i camt to my senses and voted rah just as he killed me, i meant to post then and there, if i die it is because rah was the mafia....

No one bleeived me