23-06-2004 08:16									#1
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Seriously. How can anyone go back to civ2 after this game. The only thing civ2 had over this game was events. But that really only applies to scenarios. And I found I didn't like events in scenarios that often. Like that red front scenario. It's really annoying the enemy can spawn literally hundreds of units without lifting a finger. There are too many units to move around in that scenario.

I just had a rather enjoyable game of civ3. While I'm not sure if I can say it is better than civ2 was when I was playing civ2. But it is more modern.

I usually don't consider msyelf a graphics snob. But it is difficult going back to those civ2 graphics. And I'm kind of used to the gameplay of civ3 now. I hated some things at first, but I'm more used to them now.

Although I still have some minor complaints about production corruption. It's annoying taking 200 turns to build the forbidden palace. And I don't like the way pollution is implemented.

But how could I even consider going back to civ2?

But it's nice I'm still enjoying civ3 after it's been out so long. Although I did get bored of it a couple of times, I came back to it. The same could be said of SMAC. I do play SMAC occasionally. Despite similar gameplay, I don't consider the games that similar. They have a different look and feel to them.

	23-06-2004 08:24									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Seriously. How can anyone go back to civ2 after this game. The only thing civ2 had over this game was events. But that really only applies to scenarios.

quote: Originally posted by Dissident Although I still have some minor complaints about production corruption. It's annoying taking 200 turns to build the forbidden palace.

It's annoying, but I think that's sort of the point. Building the empire-wide corruption reducer is not easy if you want to place it where it can dispel distance corruption. I would imagine you could get any city to at least 2 or 3 spt with a courthouse, larger population, and some mines, though.

quote: Originally posted by Dissident And I don't like the way pollution is implemented.

IIRC, it was pretty much the same in Civ2 anyway, right? Not something you can solve by going back to it.

	23-06-2004 09:21									#3
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Civ3 is superior IMHO. Especially after the updates and patches.
(Wish I could say the same about MOO3. )

	23-06-2004 09:22									#4
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Civ2 pwns.

	23-06-2004 14:32									#5
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may be once or twice

	23-06-2004 18:07									#6
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Hey Diss, how about we introduce a rule that anyone who calls CtP a sucky game is banned till he agrees to post otherwise ?

	23-06-2004 18:19									#7
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I think you need an option for playing SMAC. I have played a couple of games of SMAC since playing CIVIII. Overall I like CIVIII better than both CIVII and SMAC although I do miss some of the features that made SMAC a great game.

I do agree that the corruption model in CIVIII is a little harsh. I would like it better if the corruption reduction improvements like the courthouse removed more corruption than they do.

I dont mind the pollution that much. By the time pollution is a problem I have a Rail network connecting my cities with teams of automated workers cleaning up the messes.

	23-06-2004 18:26									#8
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So far nobody outed himself playing CtP, so it must be crappy indeed. But as former threads and polls have shown, it takes a PM to Maquiladora, who will then invade this forum together with the other CtP zealots and rig this poll until CtP wins.

	23-06-2004 19:39									#9
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Gee, Civ3 winning big in a poll on the Civ3 forum.

Shocking.

	23-06-2004 19:46									#10
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Sir Ralph, I am a CtP player. And yes, I think I just may call someone else here .

	23-06-2004 20:02									#11
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Civ II, always, of course!

	23-06-2004 20:11									#12
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CtP doesn't suck. Yes, it had more bugs then all the other civ games combined... but it was still fun.
No match for CivIII, of course.

	23-06-2004 20:16									#13
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Civ 2 MP owns Civ 3 MP.
(Though in SP I prefer SMAC, which has a crappy MP and a ruined AI.)

	23-06-2004 21:39									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph So far nobody outed himself playing CtP, so it must be crappy indeed. But as former threads and polls have shown, it takes a PM to Maquiladora, who will then invade this forum together with the other CtP zealots and rig this poll until CtP wins.

Count me 'outed' Ralphie...and no PM was needed!

	23-06-2004 21:48									#15
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I've played Civ2 once or twice since Civ3, but only because I was on someone else's computer and they did not have Civ3 yet...

In other words, I would not go back by choice.

	24-06-2004 00:27									#16
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Once or twice only, and then only to play some good old Civ2 scenarios I had that were better than the cruddy stock Civ3 scenario editor. That's no longer a problem with PTW and now C3C.

	24-06-2004 01:42									#17
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None since III.

	24-06-2004 01:45									#18
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It's easy to romanticize how wonderful Civ2 is because it really was an awesome game, for its time.

I have played it once or twice since 3 came out and, frankly, the romance is dead. Stupid things like stack death, overpowered Diplomats, ICS and much much more make the game seem more than a little outdated.

Caveat: I am an SP only player.

	24-06-2004 02:59									#19
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civ 3 quickly became a drink coaster as civ 2 returned to its rightful place on my pc

	24-06-2004 06:34									#20
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Perhaps a good poll would be "How many times did you play Civ3 before going back to Civ2?"

	24-06-2004 06:50									#21
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I play SMAC and civ2, because civ3 is complete and utter poop.

	24-06-2004 09:15									#22
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When I first got (vanilla) Civ3 I found myself running back to CtP2 but now it is much better.

	24-06-2004 11:47									#23
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civ3 or ctp2?

	24-06-2004 12:11									#24
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Civ3 and only civ3.
Pherhaps I'll install CtPII once more if I'm having some spare time.......... but don't count on it

	24-06-2004 18:06									#25
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Ahh, people who are in doubt. Which is why I have a comprehensive listing of CtP2/Civ3 differences, a comparison and reasons to play one game over the other .

CyberShy, if you read that, you'd be playing CtP2...

	24-06-2004 18:58									#26
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No PM needed here either. Im surprised Call to Power was even included in your poll.

	24-06-2004 19:01									#27
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Ah, and I thought the hell had frozen over! On a sidenote, how dare you heathen to wave my flag?

	24-06-2004 19:01									#28
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Hey Maq, that's awesome, how do we all seem to find these threads even without PMs? Some form of a telepathic link establishing between CtP players?

	24-06-2004 19:17									#29
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quote: On a sidenote, how dare you heathen to wave my flag?

Just showing my support for your team, what a shame

quote: Hey Maq, that's awesome, how do we all seem to find these threads even without PMs? Some form of a telepathic link establishing between CtP players?

Yeah its strange, like we're all drawn to comparison threads, theres always bound to be someone bashing CtP in them.

	24-06-2004 19:22									#30
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quote: Just showing my support for your team, what a shame

I suppose you're talking about football? If so, they don't need your support. What they need are some good forwards.

Come on now, bring in your friends. I want some more people voting for the option "I play crappy games like CtP"!