02-07-2004 01:07									#31
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I would guess that it's not so much a single factor below as it is a combo of the three that results in that title being worked ASAP.

I'd highly recommend Blue 10.

quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 OK whats more "valuable"? Food, Sheilds or Commerce???????

	02-07-2004 01:32									#32
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 OK whats more "valuable"? Food, Sheilds or Commerce???????

Alright here's my take on it.

In the old MiniGame they fluctuated. Shields were a pretty steady price with Commerce and Food fluctuating wildly in value based on population of the cities in question.

However, we started well into the game when the Pops of cities were pretty well established and here we are starting from scratch so some tweaking may be in order.

Food is worth more the larger the city sizes. Commerce also.

Shield values are based on production and demand for building things from the players.

ALSO: since at this point we ditch the Despot and all decisions are done by the City Mayors who are chosen by the tile owners in that cities radius politics comes into play.

Futility is the capital and has an edge on good production and low corruption. It also has 20 tiles and 20 potential people voting on decisions (that means each tile owner has 5% of the vote).

The other two have109 and 8 tile owners currently. Potentially, you might be able to buy tiles in them later and maintain a strong percentage of that city's vote but your looking at around 10% of each cities vote if you own one of those tiles.

It might be interesting if people of a specific playstyle centered around a specific city so as to not bash heads with other playstyles. Part of the fun will be seeing how everyone works out their systems of making decisions.

I would say joe's right about Blue 10 being a good tile though.

	02-07-2004 05:17									#33
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Just a thought on the tile 'auction' versus choosing-

Has no one thought to make it a 'state' lottery? Put the tiles in a 'hat' and have the despot draw out the first run of tiles for the names on the list, keeping it completely random and fair.

	02-07-2004 05:54									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Esoteric Just a thought on the tile 'auction' versus choosing- Has no one thought to make it a 'state' lottery? Put the tiles in a 'hat' and have the despot draw out the first run of tiles for the names on the list, keeping it completely random and fair.

Emmmmmmmm


We don't trust the Despot. He's a despot.


And I CERTAINLY don't trust UnOrthOdOx. How the heck is he supposed to tell the difference between a green tile, a red tile or a blue tile?

	02-07-2004 08:14									#35
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Very nice. The freedom goes straight to me head.
Guess I ought to get a bid in-

what a nice map, Spiffor. Very kind of you.

r3>b5>b7>r10>r13
To me it seems like useful land. Especially Red 3 as it is currently developed- is that even an available tile?

	02-07-2004 08:31									#36
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Well, since it looks like we're going to go ahead and pick tiles this way, here's my top 15 choices:

G1 > B6 > G6 > G4 > R3 > R7 > R17 > R5 > R18 > B10 > R8 > R6 > R16 > B3 > B4

	02-07-2004 13:13									#37
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I wanted a Volcano! I don't care when I pick. I want G2 and no one else does. Sounds like a tall mountain if K2 is anything to go by. R2 sounds like a droid more than a mountain! So it's definitely not making the cut.

I don't think anyone else has even put G2 on their short list... (this is all just a ploy to get someone in the top 13 to claim G2 just to spite me... or is it? )

	02-07-2004 19:22									#38
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OK thanks Farb

I was looking at this last night and should make my decision today.

I need to take one more look at the save, thatnks for bearing with me.

	03-07-2004 02:51									#39
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R7 > R3 > G1 > G4 > B10 > R5> B4 > B3 > B6 > G6 > B5 > B7 > R4 > R10 > R12 > R6 > R8 > R16

btw, does resources (like gems) give extra income? more than the tile bonus they produce that is..

Last edited by Ennet on 03-07-2004 at 03:09

	03-07-2004 02:55									#40
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Can someone mark off all of the tiles used, so it's easier to pick in the future?

	03-07-2004 03:00									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Can someone mark off all of the tiles used, so it's easier to pick in the future?

There's only been one tile used so far.

	03-07-2004 03:07									#42
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What part of "in the future" don't you understand?

	03-07-2004 03:35									#43
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx If this is also for tile picking order, please place my name at the bottom.

In this thread


Updated list a bit:
1) GhengisFarb - Red 17 (the only tile that has a vote in 2 different cities)
2) conmcb25
3) Uber KruX
4) Octavian X (B4 > G1 > G4 > R17 > R16)
5) Esoteric (R3 > B5 > B7 > R10 > R13)
6) ZargonX (B10>R4>G4>R17>B7>R12)
7) Aidun (B10>B7>G1>B6>B3>B4>B5)
8) Zone
9) TORARADICAL (G4, B10, G1, R2, R4, R14, B7, B5, R17, R7, R5, B4, B3, R16, R6, R8, R3, B6, G6, G7, G5, R12, R11, R20, R13, R10, G8, G2, G3, R1, R9, R18, R19, R15)
10) GDatyaro
11) Tarquinius (B10 > G4 > R7 > R5 > R4 > R2 > G1 > B3 > B5 > B7)
12) Nuclear Master
13) Aeson (G3?)
14) Jonny (G1 > B6 > G6 > G4 > R3 > R7 > R17 > R5 > R18 > B10 > R8 > R6 > R16 > B3 > B4)
15) Shogun Gunner
16) General Locus
17) Rasputin
18) Spiffor (B3 > B10 > B4 > B6 > R5 > R6 > R7 > R8 > R16 > R17 > R4 > R2 > R14 > R3 > G4 > G6 > G7 > G1)
19) panag
20) Gramphos
21) Gamecube64(B10 > R3 or R2?? > R14 > R17 > R7 > R5 > G1 > R16 > R15 > B3 > B4 > B7 > B5 > R10 > R13 > R20 > R11 > R8 > G4 > B6)
22) Paddy the Scot
23) MrWhereItsAt
24) Ennet (R7 > R3 > G1 > G4 > B10 > R5 > B4 > B3 > B6 > G6 > B5 > B7 > R4 > R10 > R12 > R6 > R8 > R16)
25) Makahlua (B3 > G6 > R8 > R13 > R2 > R4 > R13)
26) =OttomusCeasar=
27) Aqualung71
28) jagjef (R13 please)
29) mrmitchell (G4 > B6 > B7 > R18)
30) Thrumble
31) UnOrthOdOx

	03-07-2004 03:38									#44
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My top 22 choices in order.
10b-3r-2r-3r-14r-17r-7r-5r-1g-16r-15r-3b-4b-7b-5b-10r-13r-20r-11r-8r-4g-6b

	03-07-2004 04:35									#45
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K I have finally made it through the maze and found this. I need to get someone to send me the save as I can't seem to access it. Also if someone could send me a link to the rules and where it says what is worth what that would be greatly appreciated. As soon as I get all three of those I will be posting what squares I would prefer. Thank you.

	03-07-2004 04:52									#46
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quote: Originally posted by TORARADICAL K I have finally made it through the maze and found this. I need to get someone to send me the save as I can't seem to access it. Also if someone could send me a link to the rules and where it says what is worth what that would be greatly appreciated. As soon as I get all three of those I will be posting what squares I would prefer. Thank you.

Take a look at the previous page in this thread for a map.. also i'm not 100% clear about the worth of everything... it varies i've understood... here's what Ghengis posted anyway:

quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Alright here's my take on it. In the old MiniGame they fluctuated. Shields were a pretty steady price with Commerce and Food fluctuating wildly in value based on population of the cities in question. However, we started well into the game when the Pops of cities were pretty well established and here we are starting from scratch so some tweaking may be in order. Food is worth more the larger the city sizes. Commerce also. Shield values are based on production and demand for building things from the players. ALSO: since at this point we ditch the Despot and all decisions are done by the City Mayors who are chosen by the tile owners in that cities radius politics comes into play. Futility is the capital and has an edge on good production and low corruption. It also has 20 tiles and 20 potential people voting on decisions (that means each tile owner has 5% of the vote). The other two have109 and 8 tile owners currently. Potentially, you might be able to buy tiles in them later and maintain a strong percentage of that city's vote but your looking at around 10% of each cities vote if you own one of those tiles. It might be interesting if people of a specific playstyle centered around a specific city so as to not bash heads with other playstyles. Part of the fun will be seeing how everyone works out their systems of making decisions. I would say joe's right about Blue 10 being a good tile though.

	03-07-2004 06:01									#47
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Someone give Aeson his volcano.

Aloha Tora, nice to see you made it back on Apolyton, and good timing too!

Thanks for the Bid Update, Ennet Good man.

Well, I'm off to the Three Weeds...thirsty.

	03-07-2004 06:58									#48
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GF, is it possible to ever conquer someone else's tile?

	03-07-2004 07:55									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master GF, is it possible to ever conquer someone else's tile?

The AI can I suppose. Not really any rules relating to it for our DemoGame though.

	03-07-2004 08:06									#50
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LOL, whoops... Tora, I told them they should take you off the list because you didn't have access to this site!!!

sorry bro! :P

	03-07-2004 09:54									#51
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You would Locus. It just took me a little longer to hack into Apolyton than it did 1BC. Course I can no longer post at 1BC so I don't know what good access does.
Anyways, what I was hoping to get was where the rules are, cause the thread suggested does not have them in it that I saw, least unless a lot a of them were deleted from earlier. Also I recall that there was a thread that had specific values for each kind of terrain. That is the other thread I was hoping someone one could tell me where it is.
O and thanks to Esoteric for sending me the save.

	03-07-2004 10:25									#52
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Okay, found what I was looking for here . This labyrinth is so hard to look through.

Last edited by TORARADICAL on 03-07-2004 at 10:41

	03-07-2004 10:37									#53
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Okay here we go. This is my list, in odrer of preference. G4, B10, G1, R2, R4, R14, B7, B5, R17, R7, R5, B4, B3, R16, R6, R8, R3, B6, G6, G7, G5, R12, R11, R20, R13, R10, G8, G2, G3, R1, R9, R18, R19, R15. I would like to reserve the right to change this list upon new lands being claimed by our nation.

	03-07-2004 11:01									#54
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quote: Originally posted by TORARADICAL You would Locus. It just took me a little longer to hack into Apolyton than it did 1BC. Course I can no longer post at 1BC so I don't know what good access does. Anyways, what I was hoping to get was where the rules are, cause the thread suggested does not have them in it that I saw, least unless a lot a of them were deleted from earlier. Also I recall that there was a thread that had specific values for each kind of terrain. That is the other thread I was hoping someone one could tell me where it is. O and thanks to Esoteric for sending me the save.

Hack?

	03-07-2004 12:20									#55
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Hi all, I am going on vacation for two weeks so here are my preferences:

B10-G4-R7-R5-R4-R2-G1-B3-B5-B7

Please give me the highest tile in my order that hasn't been picked yet. Thanks!

	03-07-2004 17:31									#56
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quote: Originally posted by TORARADICAL Okay here we go. This is my list, in odrer of preference. G4, B10, G1, R2, R4, R14, B7, B5, R17, R7, R5, B4, B3, R16, R6, R8, R3, B6, G6, G7, G5, R12, R11, R20, R13, R10, G8, G2, G3, R1, R9, R18, R19, R15. I would like to reserve the right to change this list upon new lands being claimed by our nation.

Well you'll only get one tile free... later you will be given the option to bid on other tiles etc. You wont be able to just change tiles when they have been given out (except in the case of deals ofcourse), but until then you are free to change your list whenever you like.

	03-07-2004 18:17									#57
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After we buy military units are we allowed to pillage other peoples tiles to make them produce less?

	03-07-2004 20:04									#58
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well, that wouldn't be very good for the health of our nation.... :P

	03-07-2004 20:40									#59
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The game isn't about our nation exceeding, but your feudal kingdom succeeding.

	03-07-2004 21:09									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Gamecube64 After we buy military units are we allowed to pillage other peoples tiles to make them produce less?

If you ordered it to do so I guess.