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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
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yeah I mean the whole point of this is you know, he is bigger and you don't have any experience. By this I mean, yes anyone knwos how to punch but you know you have to make the odds work for you.
Now that I've been thinking of your situation even more, I'd suggest you duck this challenge if you get a good chance doing so. Other option is to get your friends to back you up, meaning you'll make it a group thing. Then you're not alone, however it will be messy then so maybe not worth it.
How old are you? I mean.. I'd understand if this was like a dispute between 15 year olds but you're older than that I'm sure. It's difficult to tell but I assume you have not done anything to this guy, or anything wrong, he just don't simply like you. That's a BS reason anyway for a fight after you've passed the 15 year age limit. That's like super juvenile. But I know the small place thing so yeah it happens..
My last advice for now is not to take too much info and mix your head with it. You need a clear head what ever happens. Just don't go down, that's it if you need only one advice.
You already have moral victory over them if you have done them nothing wrong. Why would a big guy start this smack talk to you, evben more so when you don't have a reputation of being in fights? It sounds really stupid so the guy is a jerk for sure and you're on the good side by default.
And like few people said, if you feel like it, you don't have to fight. But put things on perspective and think, it might be worth a fight, it depends on lot of things we don't know about your place or people. But if you fight, then FIGHT. Don't do any slapping games, you gotta throw down like a mother****er! Keep your head up, no one can tell you what to do. You're the man! That's right, you're THE man!
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:37
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ohhhh ahhh...
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Apr 1999
time: 00:37
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If I could offer a bit of advice here.....
Most of the advice thus far seems to be either about getting a gun, or some other deadly weapon, or else trying to duke it out. But I think there are problems with both.
The problem with a gun is the very great liability involved. Even if your state is pretty free about letting it's citizens have guns, they usually are not too free about letting it's citizens shoot other people with them. Typically the legal standard for lethal self defense is that you must be able to prove that you were in imminent danger of death or severe bodily harm. Well, the way I see it by the time you could prove that legally it may already be too late. Also, depending on jurisdiction, if it in anyway seems you could have provoked the attack against you(which a jury could interpert as standing up to his taunts if they so chose) I wouldn't want to take the chance of being thrown in prison for the rest of my life.
The problem with fighting is of course you might lose well. As people have already alluded, if he is bigger and he has more experience fighting, odds are not in your favor, and it probably would take a good bit of training to adequately defend yourself. Even then, if he has a weapon he pulls out during the fight you are in trouble. And if he were to win the fight, it's not like in elementary school, adults can do real serious damage. You could end up in the hospital; would if for instance he pounds on your back after you are down, damages your spinal cord, and paralyzes you? or if he decides to stomp on your face, knocking your nose bone down into your brain and killing you? There is alot of risk in going into the fight.
I made a thread earlier on non-lethal weapons, and I think these make a pretty good solution for self defense. You can get some pretty good non-lethal weapondry, such as pepper spray, air tasers, or stun guns. These are all good in that they give you a means of defeating/disabling the other person or at least giving yourself a pretty big advantage. In addition to being effective, they also typically do not cause long-term damage, making it less likely you will be prosecuted or sued. These weapons also wouldn't require years of training like martial arts would.
The main disadvantage is that some people would probably view you as a sissy for using such weapons, but hopefully your friends would not be that type to judge you for doing so.
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:37
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erm, no...
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First, I agree. Avoid the fight as long as you can while preventing "prey" designation, i.e. weak dweeb. Once you are designated prey, it never stops. Once the fight starts, three pieces of advice - I wrestled fairly successfully in high school, and have some limited experience with Judo and Aikido - just enough to get myself in trouble.
If he's that much bigger, even if you have experience, wrestling is generally a bad move. If he grapples with you it's generally a good way to get the crap beaten out of you. I won't close with a guy who is substantially larger than I am.
The hip toss is good (Judo is designed to let little guys toss bigger ones about, and drunks are inherently off balance), but DON'T go for the neck. If you oops and he turns it into a grapple, you are SOL. Instead, as he grabs for you (PRACTICE THIS WITH YOUR FRIENDS FIRST - in fact, go to some judo sites and start practicing many of the moves, wrist locks are very useful too).
1. Grab the wrist with the same side hand (his right, your left) while rotating you body so you end up with your butt against his same hip to the same side as the wrist you have gripped, not quite straight on.
2. Pull his wrist that you have onto your chest while rotating his arm so his hand is basically thumb to your chest. While doing this hooking your other arm's inner elbow into the innner elbow of the rotated arm against your chest. Shove your butt into his hip, he is now off balance.
3. Keeping the palm of his hand against your chest, roughly at the sternum, continue rotating your body, bending at the waist. The arm that is hooked elbow-elbow in his arm provides the force, while the hand holding his wrist keeps the arm weak due rotation. Your hip becomes a pivot point, as does the your outside leg (same side as the hooking arm). He rotates around and hits the ground.
Caveat. This is a CONTINUOUS motion, if you make it three steps as I've described, he'll grab you instead and have YOU at the disadvantage.
2. If any of these throws fail and you get grappled, or you end up closing, BITE. A friend did that in DC while in high school (similar situation), it's very effective. You are clamping down and using your neck, you want to get the muscle between your teeth. It's nasty, septic, and may cause him to try to knock your teeth in afterwards. TANSTAAFL. He almost all WILL let you go if you have an arm muscle, and may in shock let you go anyway.
Third, and I've mentioned this in a similar thread. Throw something, a pool ball, books, something heavy etc. at his crotch. The vast majority of men will flinch. Then throw a punch into his throat. If he has a big, beefy throat you may have to use extending fingers to get past all the fat/muscle, and you will most likely break some. If you can see his adams apple (your target, the larynx), then simply punch in normally, using a jab, or if you are comfortable with it an extended knuck jab.
Note, this KILLS. If you are new to the jurisdiction, the cops will very likely try to put you in prison. Plus his friends will very likely try to kill you. The problem of small towns. You may wish to get some pepper spray, and use it. Again, you have to balance the fact they will say YOU aren't fighting fair, ignoring the fact that all athletic fighting has this funny thing called weight classes.
Study wrist/finger locks, use Judo and Aikido sites. Even if he is big, you can do terrible things to thumbs and fingers when it's your entire hand against a single digit. Plus it takes months to heal, if it ever does properly, and the next time he tries it the pain if you get the same digit is unbelievable. You MUST practice these moves with your friends, make sure the ones you practice with won't go talking. Nothing exites the bully more than to be able to brag about how he beat up the weakling who was practicing self-defense, before you are ready.
Don't try the heel of the hand into the nose, it virtually never works all it does is smash the nose. Some people will be imobilized in pain, some will be so pissed that they become berzerk. Eye gouging in close is highly effective, and you can actually push the finger past the eyeball into the thin bones in the back (the orbit) and into the brain. As a minimum it will blind him, and cause his friends to label you as "unfair" while they beat you to a pulp crippling you for life. If lethal see above on local law enforcement and the use or so-called misuse of lethal force, i.e. you'll be charged with manslaughter.
P.S. As I've gotten older, I've started to believe more and more in concealed carry - God created all men equal, Colt made them that way.
corrected hip throw instructions, practiced with my 4'10" wife and found out some issues for smaller people
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:37
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He has no marital arts places in his area. ahem.
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shawnmmcc
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That's why I said use web sites, and practice with friends. My first use of those techniques was in seventh grade, and the wrist lock and leg throw I used on the bigger kid who started it worked nicely. But you MUST practice. He also might try some videos, I have no idea which are good, he might try some searches to check on which are best for beginners.
I just corrected the hip throw instructions, I had my wife who is 4'10" try it with me, and made some size corrections
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:37
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1. Sikander - Judo ****ing owns...
2. KrazyHorse - Wrestling owns even more than judo. The hip toss is ****ing gay, though... |
Judo is horrible, at least in terms of self defense. Wrestling is a little better, but the problem with it is that all you really have are holds and takedowns - great for tying a guy up, but not so great for ending fights, unless you can take him down and punch him until he stops.
Ramo is right about jiujitsu - Brazilian Jiujitsu is without a doubt the best grappling style around. Just remember not to go into a fight with nothing but Jiujitsu - learn some strikes, even just some simple boxing moves, that will allow you to cause damage before going to the ground with someone who may be 50 pounds heavier.
But the main point here, I think, is that for someone with NO martial arts experience and NO way to get any, advising him to learn wrestling or judo or jiujitsu is pretty stupid. You need a qualified teacher in any of those to be able to do anything.
The best thing to do is to learn some simple Thai kicks and boxing combos, that you can pick up on your own from books, and practice those over and over. It won't be flashy, and it won't make you the biggest baddest in your town, but you should also be able to hold your own to such an extent that you won't be a major target.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:37
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They'll be on their stomach trying to get up and I'll be dribbling their head against the floor for as long as it takes. At worst you get hit the one time going in for your takedown and you should be moving so fast that it isn't going to be any more than a love tap. |
Yeah, ideally that's the case. On the other hand, there are a lot more people out there with experience in wrestling than with experience in kickboxing/boxing combos - certainly grappling is extremely important, but you should also have a way to take someone else out of their game. Punch him a few times, THEN shoot. Or if he shoots first, be able to do some damage to him on the way in.
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:37
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Watchya doin?
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:37
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say, I was in a fight with a guy I didn't know but looked pretty tough and confident, if he was alone, no friends ready to kick my head when we're down, yeah I'd go down too. Few combos standing up, mostly just to keep him busy thinking I'll stand and bang. Nothing effective, just keeping him busy and thinking and when the time comes, I'd shoot in, get a doubleleg and drive the dude to the ground. And forget about submissions, what's he gonna do, tapout???? No, It would be ground and pound and getting up something in the lines of stomping to disabling the arm pretty decently and then running away.
But we know nothing, as far as I know, Space could get to the ground with a big dude, who would get top position and Space would be unexperienced and would get ground and pounded in the streets. Or if he gets that position, his friends would come in and play soccer.
So that's why my advice is, don't go to the ground. And my last advice was, avoid this fight. This might not be necessary. Defend if attacked.
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