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Guynemer is offline Guynemer
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I haven't given any plot spoilers. What did you think was going to be the end result of Harry's growing hatred of Spiderman?


ACK!

It didn't have to be Harry, either!

A pox on thee!


EDIT: I mean, it's not really a surprise, but it didn't have to be that way. It certainly didn't have to end up with Harry taking up his father's mantle. (Of course, maybe it does have to be that way; like I said, I don't know the comics.) I'll see the movie anyway, but that is a bit disappointing... I rather liked him.

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Did you see any of the trailers for the movie?

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I've actually tried to avoid them, unsuccessfully. It's still pretty vague in the trailer; I know he hires Doc Ock to find Spiderman, but it doesn't necessarily mean he has to turn full-bore eeeeeeeevil.

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Tell me when you see the movie and I'll describe why it had to be that way.

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Harry's bowtie at MJ's wedding is dark green - is that not obvious enough?

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My only real complaint about the first movie is that it should have been Gwen Stacey, and she should have died, as in the canon.

It would make Parker's motivations so much starker and clear.

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Harry's bowtie at MJ's wedding is dark green - is that not obvious enough?


exactly. since you brought it up, I will add that I was hoping he would fly in and wreck the wedding or something. give it a "stay tuned to next time" ending, or even throw in some "I'll get you spiderman schlock.

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I heard on Tuesday that Keanu Reeves is playing John Constantine in the film of 'Hellblazer'- which has magically relocated to the United States too.

Alan Moore apparently wants nothing to do with it.

March 4th, 2004 - Alan Moore Disowns Constantine ?

After reviewing the script and casting of HELLBLAZER, Comic Kingpin Alan Moore has done the unthinkable. He's washed his hand of the entire debacle. That's right-he's instructed DC to NOT credit him as the creator of the character. And putting his money where his mouth is, he has instructed that the royalties that he was splitting with his co-creators goes EXCLUSIVELY to the artists, Veitch and Bissette.

Taken from AICN


February 21st, 2004 - Director Francis Lawrence on Constantine

"Ah, interesting question. Well, I think you start to take...what I think first attracted me to this project was just the character himself - not the fact that he was English, not the fact that he had blonde hair and not the fact that he wore an olive-colored trench coat. It was sort of what made him who he was. And I think we've maintained that."

- Francis Lawrence on the decision to forego John Constantine's English nationality in favour of making him American."

I look forward to the director's retread of Sherlock Holmes as a Kalahari bushwoman in Botswana, played by Kim Basinger.

http://www.insanerantings.com/hell/movie/



That movie does look really good. I've never heard of this Constantine though, whats it about?

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I just saw Spiderman 1 last night again. I must say, I really did like the first one. I'm not sure about all the complaints about that one.

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exactly. since you brought it up, I will add that I was hoping he would fly in and wreck the wedding or something. give it a "stay tuned to next time" ending, or even throw in some "I'll get you spiderman schlock.


Yeah - I was ready for something like that too!

My only complaint is the same as a reviewer on /. - Peter Parker is supposed to give smart-alec comebacks/comments all the time. There was maybe two in the whole movie, and weak ones at that.

While I think the director has done a great job of character development, there's not much more to explore for the main characters. This is why I think the third movie might have time for two villians - Harry (Green Goblin) and Dr. Connors (The Lizard).

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I just saw Spiderman 1 last night again. I must say, I really did like the first one. I'm not sure about all the complaints about that one.


I went to Blockbuster to see if it was available (going to give it a third chance), but alas it wasn't. I should learn better: I tried to get Shrek the same weekend Shrek 2 came out, but to no avail.

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Yeah - I was ready for something like that too!

My only complaint is the same as a reviewer on /. - Peter Parker is supposed to give smart-alec comebacks/comments all the time. There was maybe two in the whole movie, and weak ones at that.

While I think the director has done a great job of character development, there's not much more to explore for the main characters. This is why I think the third movie might have time for two villians - Harry (Green Goblin) and Dr. Connors (The Lizard).


agree on both points

as for the latter, there's a huge "what next" question mark. MJ and Peter Check, not much more work there. PP gave up Spidey then came back. Check. Thats a vast portion of the plot of 2. Is there anything left for 3 beyond the standard villains threaten the city plot? I hope so, but...

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Ah, I just watched it on 'On Demand'. Fortunetly it was HBO's list of movies. Though I am getting excited about Spiderman2... a lot of reviewers like it and I'm hearing nothing but good things from message board posters.

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I didn't think Spiderman1 was anything special. I left it with an "eh" feeling. It wasn't actively BAD, for the most part, but neither was it any good.

-Arrian

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While I think the director has done a great job of character development, there's not much more to explore for the main characters. This is why I think the third movie might have time for two villians - Harry (Green Goblin) and Dr. Connors (The Lizard).


NOOOOO!!! If so, spiderman will go the way of the Batman movies! Further character development shall not be sacrificed for the mere appearance of more villains.

I'll end up seeing this but expect to be dissapointed. OTOH I was mildly surprised by my liking of Shrek2 and Dodgeball. (Man gets hit in the crotch with a ball. It works on so many levels )

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Shrek:

Shrek 2:

Though I think I may like Shrek better as an integrated story, Shrek 2 was funnier (mainly because it was filled with pop culture references).

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My only real complaint about the first movie is that it should have been Gwen Stacey, and she should have died, as in the canon.
You should read Ultimate Spiderman.

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Is there anything left for 3 beyond the standard villains threaten the city plot? I hope so, but...
I dunno a variation of Kraven's Last Hunt for 4 should be interesting.

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That movie does look really good. I've never heard of this Constantine though, whats it about?


He's a character who originated in Alan Moore's 'Swamp Thing' back in the eighties.

He's a Liverpudlian ex-punk wideboy with sardonic charm and an interest in sorcery, who 'enjoys' scrapes with the law, and looks like Sting in 'The Police' and wears a trenchcoat.

He's very British (as were most of the stories) so relocating to L.A. and having him played by Keanu 'Dude' Reeves is about as sensible as getting Shaquille O'Neal to play Gandhi or Hercule Poirot.

Poor Alan Moore.

In other good news, India has its own version of Spiderman- in a dhoti.

http://news.com.au/common/story_pag...5E13762,00.html

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You'd think he'd be used to it by now after League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

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You should read Ultimate Spiderman.


Yep. Even though Gwen is now a "Bad girl."


* Lonestar starts playing standard "mean girl in a teen movie" music.

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Fricken amazing movie. Holy freaken ****.

What's with all the Spidey haters though? Jeeze, it has no basis in reality. This movie works on so many levels.

I invited a bunch of friends to go out for dinner and a movie on Saturday for my birthday and most of them said they had no interest in seeing Spider-Man 2. What is with all this anti-spider-man? The movie is darn good.

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There is even some deep symbolism in it too. Anyone catch the Christ links on the train? When he is stopping the train its like the crucifixtion, and then the crowd is passing him down, all spread out like Jesus or something. He even had a pierced side. For a moment there he was "dead" and then he rose again. He sacrificed for the good of all of us.

It all comes together, see.

Who was that skinny chick from across the hall? She really had no point in being there. I sure hope that's not supposed to be Gwen or anything. Plus the ending! Yay!!!

I'm a dork, hehe. Spider-man rules!!

As for Harry and GG2, eh... I mean it has to happen, but so soon? We just had green goblin, there are so many good villians out there, I'd really hate for them to waste another movie on him. Maybe Harry will drop out of sight for SM3, and then emerge in SM4. That'd be ok. But right away? Ugh.

Btw, Kraven

Also, while not an epic enemy like Green Goblin or Dr. Octopus, I've always like Sandman. I don't even know how they could do him appropriately, but I'd love to see him.

But wow, such a good movie. All you haters need to see it. You might change your mind.

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Please, Ozzy, get real. All my comments were directed at the first movie, and were hardly comments of "hate". SM 1 was a bad film regardless of the quality of SM 2, which, as you probably noticed, is a different film altogether.

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I thought SM1 was a very fine movie. Excellent acting. Especially by Kristin Dunst.

Especially all the origin stuff, it was handled quite well. You really got a feeling for who Parker was, his humble background and you felt for him as an outcast and a nerd. Building from that you can really appreciate his powers and the importance of that.

He, like most others in the movie, were three dimentional characters who you could really understand. Say that about another comic book movie.

Batman?

I haven't yet seen the Superman movies, but I am highly doubtful they are anywhere near as good as these two Spider-man flicks. Of course it'd be downright ignorant of me to condemn a movie I haven't even seen yet.......

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I haven't yet seen the Superman movies, but I am highly doubtful they are anywhere near as good as these two Spider-man flicks. Of course it'd be downright ignorant of me to condemn a movie I haven't even seen yet.......



Superman 2 is an Outstanding movie.


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It works?

Damn, I would have thought that'd be the worst pick up line ever. If it works though, maybe I'll give it a shot.

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Yep. Even though Gwen is now a "Bad girl."
I thought it would have been interesting to have him toss MJ off the bridge and have Gwen there to console him.

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As the last Arc was closing, I was hoping that Gwen would turn out to be carnage.


But nooooo.....it looks like we're running with the "Genetic-suit w/Parker DNA" schtick.

 
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