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Originally posted by Felch
Nobody is talking about Chinese internal history. It's like saying that our annexation of Hawaii is internal history -- we annexed an independent country with which we shared strong ties. Same with China and Tibet.
The only difference is that we don't engage in a policy of terror, ethnic cleansing and political repression in Hawaii. |
Public Law 103-150, 103d Congress Joint Resolution 19, November 23, 1993: "To acknowledge the 100th anniversary of the January 17, 1893 overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, and to offer an apology to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii."
I'm not sure if you're saying that what we did to Hawaii is wrong or right, but just to clarify...IT WAS WRONG.
Additionally, I see no reason why Cuba should give back to U.S. companies what was taken from them under questionable circumstances. The U.S. ownership of Cuban resources would have led Cuba into a situation similar to that of African States that do not have control of their Nations resources.
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SpencerH
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Co-Ruler of my patch of land south of Birmingham Alabama
Feb 2002
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Since I wasnt aware of that vote I took a look around and found similar quotes such as:
"Last year, both the Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives approved an initiative that would have halted enforcement of the ban on travel to Cuba; however, in a last-minute maneuver, the text was removed from the bill in question after a veto threat from President Bush."
Although it was difficult to find any hard facts, the problem is that the the Cuban travel initiative was attached as a rider to an appropriations bill! So guess what, Bush said he would veto it. It looks to me like typical half truths.
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Originally posted by GePap Congressional support for a tough embargo comes from only 2 sides- the extreme right jihadis in the Republican party, like Delay, and people who represent districts with large Cuban populations, be they republican or democrat.
Moderates and farm state legislators, plus the leftwingers, have tried to ease of, specially since it is obvious the embargo has failed. They have not succeded thanks to the fatc the Jihadis control the House republican leadership and cause Bush pushes the hard line. |
IIRC I watched the senate committees debate about the current changes to the travel to Cuba, and I was surprised to see the number of Dems who supported it. If you have better hard evidence than my memory I'd be happy to look at it.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:37
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Originally posted by SpencerH
Since I wasnt aware of that vote I took a look around and found similar quotes such as:
"Last year, both the Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives approved an initiative that would have halted enforcement of the ban on travel to Cuba; however, in a last-minute maneuver, the text was removed from the bill in question after a veto threat from President Bush."
Although it was difficult to find any hard facts, the problem is that the the Cuban travel initiative was attached as a rider to an appropriations bill! So guess what, Bush said he would veto it. It looks to me like typical half truths. |
Half truth? What "half truth"? That the rider would have made it by if it were not for a president veto threat? How is that a half truth to say the president backs the hard line? The issue being that as a rider, passing the whole budget was more important than just that one measure. And maybe it was inserted as a rider cause as a bill on it's own it would face the opposition of the president and House leadership. Nice attempt at spinning the simple reality that the President is pushing a hard line and it isn't due to congress.
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IIRC I watched the senate committees debate about the current changes to the travel to Cuba, and I was surprised to see the number of Dems who supported it. If you have better hard evidence than my memory I'd be happy to look at it. |
HELLO! I said any representative from sections with lots of Cubans, democrat or republican. Maybe if you read my posts better that would help form the start...
Face it- you tired to make it look as if Bush were not the one in the driver seat on this but that it was the Congress who was behind this. You were wrong. Congress, or at least more than 50% of congresspeople would prefer a lessening of restrictions. It is Bush with the support of a minority of Congressmen, many with important posts, who back the hard line and Bush who with his power of presidential orders keep trying to tighten the noose.
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