29-07-2004 00:57									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin i wasnt suggesting we wait forever. but whilst we waiting for interest from other players , it is time to look for some one to make a good map that is suitable to all of us. usually a dilpo game played on a earth map ( but not always) this gives the role playing a good basis. so whilst we wait for others (maybe) 1. What map wil lwe use? 2. Any special mods needed ? 3. Which civ do each of our guinea pigs wish to choose?

Oh i didnt mean it like YOU DID mean wait forever

I meant lets do some discussion and then move forward, much we are doing now

Gramps

	29-07-2004 01:05									#32
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well now we into the discusiion. lets get some ideas up.


we need a consensus of all suggestions.

first.

1. map size

2. world map or random map

3. number of players


i suggest

the standard conquest HUGE map size

a world map. made by ozzy

minuimum 4 players max 8

	29-07-2004 01:09									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin well now we into the discusiion. lets get some ideas up. we need a consensus of all suggestions. first. 1. map size 2. world map or random map 3. number of players i suggest the standard conquest HUGE map size a world map. made by ozzy minuimum 4 players max 8

I concur with possibly 5 players..I have had terrible success with -8- people doing anything

	29-07-2004 04:02									#34
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Ok, to get a sense of map size, I loaded up a standard map game I played. It had a goodly amount of water on it, and there were 103 total cities, without room for anymore.

Loading up the last HOTW4 save, I counted 206 cities, with room for a few more. So I don't think a huge map is good, but it looks like standard may be too small. But I find managing cities and large empires more tedious in Civ3 than Civ2. Especially because of the crippling corruption. Large empires are a ridiculous burden i've seen. In the few games I've played, I've actually moved to playing on small random maps, cause standard is too much crap to worry about. *shrug*

But we could do a large size map. What are the dimensions of that?

	29-07-2004 04:04									#35
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Although if we are going for 5 players, then we need a map that can fit 5 players. Not a map that can fit 10 players. Assuming a 30 city average, we should get a map to fit 150 cities.

I really don't know jack about Civ3 (i know how to play, but that's it) what are the dimensions of the randomly generated tiny, small, standard, large, and huge maps?

	29-07-2004 04:13									#36
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Although if we are going for 5 players, then we need a map that can fit 5 players. Not a map that can fit 10 players. Assuming a 30 city average, we should get a map to fit 150 cities. I really don't know jack about Civ3 (i know how to play, but that's it) what are the dimensions of the randomly generated tiny, small, standard, large, and huge maps?

From the CIVIII CONQUESTS EDITOR:

Tiny-60 X 60
Small-80 X 80
Standard-100 X 100
Large-130 X 130
Huge-160 X 160

Gramps

	29-07-2004 04:16									#37
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Ok cool, then we may want a large map for a 5 player game. Though I swear everything seems bigger in Civ3.

	29-07-2004 04:41									#38
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Ok cool, then we may want a large map for a 5 player game. Though I swear everything seems bigger in Civ3.

I believe from my modding civIII this is da same

Of course they SAY A CAMERA ADDS 20 POUNDS Oh in this case I would certainly question that theory

	29-07-2004 06:56									#39
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Well I asked my question about map sizes in the Civ-Fanatics map making forum, and they deleted my thread. Freaken retards.

	29-07-2004 07:27									#40
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Well I asked my question about map sizes in the Civ-Fanatics map making forum, and they deleted my thread. Freaken retards.

WEell..Civ-Fanatics WUZ a partime site i visited..

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	01-08-2004 14:04									#41
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I'm totally down with a large map (maybe adjust luxury resources so that each area has something to trade) and Conquests sounds GRRREAT!!

	01-08-2004 16:57									#42
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lets get started on the rules and make it so

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	02-08-2004 07:50									#43
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Ok, first let's do a Players List, I'm thinkin' it looks like thus:


Grandpa Troll
Rasputin
Metaliturtle
OzzyKP
Dylan Baker

We need some awesome dude of the 5 to man up and Moderate, I work 60+ hours a week and am starting a NES already, so I don't really have the time. I'm thinking Ozzy or Grandpa Troll could do the first one (Once I'm back in school I could MOD a different Diplogame though)

	02-08-2004 16:43									#44
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If I may give you advice, don't take a too big mapsize. Corruption and waste are calculated in a way, that above a certain limit every new city will be almost totally corrupt. This means, if you play with 5 people on a map calculated for 8 civs and fill up all space, most of your cities won't add to your civ's wealth in any way, and you will be busy well into the medieval age (the most exciting one) to build them.

As the name "diplo" game suggests, your focus is certainly not to build all these cities, but to act as powers after this phase. So my advice is to use a small map (80x80) for 5 players.

	04-08-2004 08:09									#45
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You want in the game Ralph? Go for a 6 person game?

Raz, for some reason I am unable to post to the diplogroup. You think you could do an announcement about this game and try to implore all our Civ2 buds to try out this crazy Civ3 phenomenon.

	05-08-2004 19:25									#46
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Count me in as lurker. Alas, my time doesn't allow more.

	06-08-2004 02:36									#47
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good thats a good amount ..umm whats next?

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	08-08-2004 06:47									#48
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We need to decide on settings.

	08-08-2004 07:01									#49
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OK lets go with a regular size map and I make a motion that it be so?

Aployton Plus Emperor [INMATE] Grandpa Troll has a motion on the floor?

Do we have a second?

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	08-08-2004 10:32									#50
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I'm down

	08-08-2004 17:36									#51
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motion on the floor!



Motion on the floor..

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	09-08-2004 02:20									#52
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I second the motion and call a vote.

Aye.

	09-08-2004 02:37									#53
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aye

	09-08-2004 02:48									#54
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Very good now we have a majority vote..um..how about we say 4 days for a vote..that way we can get 3-4 votes in a two weeks period..
Motion on the floor

I cal for a vote

What.is this YOUR $50.00 for your vote?? )

Um...lets vote please

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	09-08-2004 03:42									#55
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sure

	09-08-2004 03:53									#56
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Other things to vote on are what map we want. I think our choices are World or Europe. And if we do World, whether we want to leave the Americas and Australia open for a colonization period, as has been done so far in the History of the World series. Also, we need to decide the difficulty setting.

I'll keep a tally here.

Map Size:
Grandpa Troll - Standard
Rasputin
Metaliturtle - Standard (right?)
OzzyKP - Standard
Dylan Baker

Map Style: (Europe or World or Other)
Grandpa Troll
Rasputin
Metaliturtle
OzzyKP
Dylan Baker

If World, leave Americas/Australia open?
Grandpa Troll
Rasputin
Metaliturtle
OzzyKP - Yes
Dylan Baker

Difficulty?
Grandpa Troll
Rasputin
Metaliturtle
OzzyKP
Dylan Baker


Any other settings we need to decide?

	09-08-2004 04:29									#57
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Also, i'm playing around with the editor, and we can adjust corruption levels. Yum.

I definitely think we should adjust the city limit corruption. The default for Standard maps seems to be 16 cities, which is kinda lame. We could double that me thinks, but I still dunno much about the innerworkings of Civ3, so I dunno how big of an affect that would be.

We can adjust capitol distance corruption too.

	09-08-2004 04:42									#58
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Other things to vote on are what map we want. I think our choices are World or Europe. And if we do World, whether we want to leave the Americas and Australia open for a colonization period, as has been done so far in the History of the World series. Also, we need to decide the difficulty setting. I'll keep a tally here. Map Size: Grandpa Troll - Standard Rasputin Metaliturtle - Standard (right?) OzzyKP - Standard Dylan Baker Map Style: (Europe or World or Other) Grandpa Troll Rasputin Metaliturtle OzzyKP Dylan Baker If World, leave Americas/Australia open? Grandpa Troll Rasputin Metaliturtle OzzyKP - Yes Dylan Baker Difficulty? Grandpa Troll Rasputin Metaliturtle OzzyKP Dylan Baker Any other settings we need to decide?

Map style- makes no difference

If World: leave American/Australia- doesnt matter

Difficulty makes no difference

Question?

Do we play Diplomacy and NO WAR?
Or do we war and play more like a CIVIII Story being told?

Peace

Gramps

	09-08-2004 04:55									#59
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I'd say war is cool but treat it as a last resort type thing (unless your civ is just a jerk like that ((I'm lookin' at you Gandhi))) but seriously just play like you would as a real world leader with real people and your actions affect everyone else

	09-08-2004 05:31									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Metaliturtle I'd say war is cool but treat it as a last resort type thing (unless your civ is just a jerk like that ((I'm lookin' at you Gandhi))) but seriously just play like you would as a real world leader with real people and your actions affect everyone else

ok so basically there wont be any PLO-Israel "Peace accord" then attacks?

thx

GT