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MrFun with what reasoning do you take what you experience as a fact and what other people post as their own experiences as a myth?
As for the last thing you mentioned, we never ever had any kind of direct contact with anyone that Gamestats sold our ad space too(including UGO). That's the whole point of this part of our deal with Gamestats. That they, and only they, handle any matter that has to do with the ads. We have of course made them aware of the problem and the complaints. I'm sure they know far better than us what's the situation in the ad business today. In the end, the issue is out of our hands, whether you or me like it or not.
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 03-10-2001 03:07 AM</font>
Its was a joke Mark, a joke. Its a complex literary device intended to be.....never mind 
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>usually when i'm attacked for something i have no control on, i tend to forget my sense of humour.
now, where did i put it, where did i put it....
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See my response in <A HREF=/forums/"/forums/Forum20/HTML/001388__38.html#38">this thread</A>.
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Also, re: suggestion to complain to GameStats/UGO etc. about pop-ups
This is not advisable. Even if our request was succesful -- which I doubt it would be -- then UGO would not be able to sell as much advertising space if some of their affiliates reject certain kinds of advertising.
See the domino effect that gets put into motion if this was repeated enough times over: UGO cannot sell ad space, cannot pay affiliates (e.g. GameStats); GameStats does not get ad spaces filled, looses funds to keep network alive...
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 03-10-2001 04:00 AM</font>
usually when i'm attacked for something i have no control on, i tend to forget my sense of humour.
now, where did i put it, where did i put it....
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>
Hey I never attack you Mark, this is your old friend horsie 
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<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Alexander's Horse (edited March 10, 2001).]</font>
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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MrFun on 03-09-2001 12:38 PM</font>
Ok, I am going to state some facts that are true as far as my usage of Apolyton goes:
fact #1 - the E-Bay pop up ad pops up ON TOP of the Apolyton window, in spite of the myth that others have said it pops up behind it
fact #2 - the E-Baby window pops up repeatedly, although not consistently, when you're navigating back and forth, in spite of the myth that some people have said all you have to do is keep it open or mininmized to prevent it from coming up again
fact #3 - this pop up window ad does nothing but harm customer relations with Apolyton, and if Apolyton doesn't see the reasoning or the logic in that, or just doesn't give a s**t - oh well
fact #4 - Ugo is the one who can place what ever piece of s**t it wants on here, no matter how much it antagonizes customers, yet Apolyton will not approach Ugo on this matter
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>
fact #5 - Often the pop-up stops the loading of the Apolyton page altogether. A reload order is necessary, which produces another idiotbay pop-up window, etc.
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Franses
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Dan,
I just read in the other thread that "you grow weary of our complaints". Sorry but to me (I own a site myself) is a statement like that to your "clients" unbelievable. We care, that's why we complain. If we did not care you would not see us here anymore. So, I think you should be happy that we only still complain. Many sites just loose clients immediately if they pulled a trick like this, whether you or Mark can do something about it or not.
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Franses on 03-11-2001 03:39 PM</font>
I already mentioned before that I am willing to pay for my fun here. No response on that.
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>we do not have the technical ability to have paying members right now(e.g. we would have to have a way for the server to recognizes paying members and offer them something else than the regular page(example: a page without ads)), and i personally hate the idea of having to resort to donations. fortunately our monthly bottom line is not negative yet, so...
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Franses:
You make a valid point and I agree with it; however, it is not that I mind the complaints as much as I mind the nature of it.
The problem is that we keep hearing the same things over and over, and we have tried to make it clear that it is something that is beyond our control -- we are simply trying to survive these lean times.
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homeless, Praha, Czech Republic
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<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 03-06-2001 03:12 AM</font>
send a mail to e-bay...
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Do you know their e-mail? I wasn't able to find it...
I must agree with Exile. I decreased the frequency of visiting the Apolyton. I needn't wait for e-bay so often with my 33.6 modem.
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Franses
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Mark,
Can you tell us whether our complaints help and how long we will still have to look at this pop-up window? I ask because I and others seem to be out of solutions and I found a working alternative for my games outside Apolyton. As you know I prefer to stay with Apolyton and am willing to give you the time you need to solve it. Yes, I know that you can not do anything about it but.... what do you expect from us? To accept it? I won't! No matter how much I hate to quit my frequent visits to Apolyton.
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complaining to us wont do any good, since you would be complaining to the wrong people.
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Time to clarify a point: it is not GameStats that chooses to have pop-up ads at all -- almost no gaming network has this kind of control. In GS' and ever other UGO affiliate's case, this is an entirely UGO matter/decision and they are the ones that should be hearing your concerns.
This is not to say that we shouldn't hear them at all necessarily, but UGO are the ones to go directly to, and first, to deal your complaints about the pop-ups etc.
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