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Agathon is offline Agathon
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Leo Strauss - philosopher (sorry agathon) and proto neocon


Don't you mean "pretentious mountebank"?

I've never heard of the Kaplan bloke, but I actually like pragmatists.


to George Szell. I have stacks of his records.

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never knew japher was a caligastia in disguise. there were signs of course.

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werner von braun - rocket guy


didn't you want to say

'nazi rocket guy' ?


[jack]He doesn't care. He did great for the USA, don't you get the point?
The fact he didn't immigrate doesn't matter either.[/jack]

Immigrants are, in general, beneficiary (sp?) to the country they move to.

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If it weren't for immigration, Kenyans and Chinese would win all the Olympic events

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Hey I might be an immigrant to the US or Canada in the next 10 years. You should appreciate me too with Caligastia.. I mean.. You can put me right up there with Einstein.... Supercitizen.. can you imagine, having a REAL supercitizen in your country? How great is that!

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But he'll be a Superfinnishcitizen

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The only decent food in Britain was brought there by Asians.


Hogwash.

Don't get into an argument with me about good British food, Aggie- you'll lose.

However, in praise of the migrant genius:

James Joyce: resident of Trieste, Paris and Zurich (and of Dublin's fair city).

Salman Rushdie

Gertrude Stein

James Whistler

Henry James

John Singer Sargent

Edith Wharton

C.P. Cavafy

Marc Isambard Brunel

Guglielmo Marconi

William Siemens

Sigmund Freud

Ingrid Bergman

Piet Mondrian

Emma Goldman

Yul Brynner

Jean Louis Agassiz

Dr. Haing S. Ngor

Leo Baekeland

Pablo Picasso

Audrey Hepburn

and so on and so on...

http://www.multicultural.vic.gov.au/diversity.htm

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cavafy was born in alexandria, lived in england, france constantinople, egypt greece....

and that link you posted only says about where everyone came from.
that's not multiculturalism, certaintly not in a country that separates its citizens into spikes (or something) and wogs.

it is a village country, isn't it?

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"However, if you bother to live outside of Poly and even the internet you will see and feel this Xenophobia in many countries."

A dislike or disagreement with is not a phobia.


You dislike them based on skin colour.

That's not phobia, that's racism.

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UR--I do, however, believe the root of PA's problems are fear--of brown people being better off than himself, and of gays because he can't address his own sexuality.

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You dislike them based on skin colour.

That's not phobia, that's racism.


And yet homophobe is used to describe someone who dislikes another because of their homosexuality, not because they have a true medical condition WRT gays.

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cavafy was born in alexandria, lived in england, france constantinople, egypt greece....

and that link you posted only says about where everyone came from.
that's not multiculturalism, certaintly not in a country that separates its citizens into spikes (or something) and wogs.

it is a village country, isn't it?



Go bore someone else.

Your reference to spikes is inaccurate and a continent off.

The rest is the usual ignorant batrachian borborygmos.

Troll rating: 0.2/10

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mrmitchell,

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UR--I do, however, believe the root of PA's problems are fear--of brown people being better off than himself, and of gays because he can't address his own sexuality.


Sure, but I am not going to psychoanalyze him.


Verto,

quote:

And yet homophobe is used to describe someone who dislikes another because of their homosexuality, not because they have a true medical condition WRT gays.


Phobia is more of a fear than a dislike, though.

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Phobia is more of a fear than a dislike, though.


Exactly. And see my sig. Wrong term, wrong accusation.

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So you hate rather than fear?

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I've never heard of the Kaplan bloke, but I actually like pragmatists.




Kaplan, trained orthodox, taught at Conservative Jewish seminary, went on to found Reconstructioniat Judaism.

Influenced by the secular humanist zionism and liberalism of achad haam, and by the philosophy of John Dewey.

Founder of the "religious naturalist" approach to Judaism . "God means the sum of the forces in the universe that make for salvation" "God is NOT something supernatural" An attempt to reconcile Jewish God language with an approach that denies the supernatural. Theres actually just enough basis in Jewish texts for doing so, that its not completely forced, IIRC.

"There is no God, and Kaplan is His prophet" - Snarky remark on the role of his personality in the Reconstructionist movement (and on its theological radicalism). But he WAS apparently a very charismatic teacher. Conservative rabbis trained AFTER Kaplan left the seminary tend to be more traditional in their theology than those trained while he was there.

Is Judaism a religion, a nation, or what? "Its a religious civilization" While the religious elements are distinctive and essential (though in need to reinterpretation to make them valid for moderns - see above) its artificial and inauthentic to seperate them from the wider civilization, including literature, music, folkways, etc.


someone elses summary of Kaplans views.

"Judaism is an evolving religious civilization. While our dispersion throughout the world has resulted in some cultural differences, by and large we are united by a common religious civilization and must work toward transcending the differences which would divide us. Our common history is the source of our covenant and what motivates and "commands" us to live Jewishly.

Kaplan did not understand God as a supernatural force in the universe, but rather as the power which makes possible personal salvation, which Kaplan understand as the "worthwhileness of life." "God is the sum of all the animating organizing forces and relationships which are forever making a cosmos out of chaos," Kaplan wrote. God cannot abridge the laws of nature for God is synonymous with natural law.

Prayer is necessary because it helps us become conscious of our conscience, the force within which mediates our relationships and our ability to realize salvation. Moreover, prayer with the community focuses our attention on the community and its needs. And finally, worship offers a release of emotion that can orient us in a positive psychological direction.

Kaplan rejected several traditional Jewish categories, most notably Chosenness. He felt that the term was misunderstood and too often taken as a sign of Jewish superiority, when instead it was conceived as an expression of Jewish obligation to God and humanity. So, too, Kaplan rejected the idea of a personal messiah (that is, that God will send a messiah in the form of a human being). He wrote the "Sabbath Prayer Book" in which he expunged both notions from the prayers. Some Reconstructionist synagogues employ a different version of the Torah blessings to this day, avoiding the phrase "...asher bachar banu mi-kol ha-amim..." (...Who chose us from all the peoples...). "

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[jack]He doesn't care. He did great for the USA, don't you get the point?
The fact he didn't immigrate doesn't matter either.[/jack]

Immigrants are, in general, beneficiary (sp?) to the country they move to.


My point was that he benefited the US, not that he was a nice guy.

Did he not immigrate - he lived in the US for the last years of his life - did he not take citizenship??

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Not that, either. See my sig.

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And you think this is good?


Yes. Would you have rather had conventional conflict between the superpowers?

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make all immigration legal




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Don't forget Dr Strangelove

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Phobia is more of a fear than a dislike, though.


Hatred is the offspring of fear. People hate what they fear.

Or maybe hate is the reaction to fear.

Technically, phobia means "fear". But hatred/dislike is close to it and often results from it.

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From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!

On we sweep with threshing oar, Our only goal will be the western shore.

Ah, ah,
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From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
How soft your fields so green, can whisper tales of gore,
Of how we calmed the tides of war. We are your overlords.

On we sweep with threshing oar, Our only goal will be the western shore.

So now you'd better stop and rebuild all your ruins,
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So you hate rather than fear?

He hates out of fear, and therefore it is apt to say he is homophobic.

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Who hates? I don't hate gays..I just don't support gay marriage. That doesn't mean I fear, dislike or hate gays does it. Just I think marriage is more important than to be denigrated in such a way.

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From one of my posts on your troll thread on 3rd generation immigrants:

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Fear is one of the most powerful of all emotions. I, as an emotivist would claim that your emotions are the basis of your "moral" or philosophical positions, whether conscious or unconscious, I'm sure the latter is such in your case because if you were a liar you wouldn't repeatedly make an idiot of yourself. Perhaps in the familial sense, literal homophobia is an inaccurate term however there is also a familial interpretation of the word which fits you like a glove. Literally of course, homophobia does fit but not without some degree of consideration.

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Who hates? I don't hate gays..I just don't support gay marriage. That doesn't mean I fear, dislike or hate gays does it.

No, Stewie, that isn't going to work. I've seen too many of your posts -- I'm not basing this off of your opinion of gay marriage, but the vulgarity of your posts regarding homosexuals over the years.

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make all immigration legal


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Who hates? I don't hate gays..I just don't support gay marriage. That doesn't mean I fear, dislike or hate gays does it. Just I think marriage is more important than to be denigrated in such a way.


I hope if you ever emigrate it's to a country with a very low standard for stand up comedy, because I have to tell you, that just ain't cutting it.

Unless you're emigrating to the Land of Unknowing Irony, or perhaps Dipstickistan.

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Who hates? I don't hate gays..I just don't support gay marriage. That doesn't mean I fear, dislike or hate gays does it. Just I think marriage is more important than to be denigrated in such a way.


I hope if you ever emigrate it's to a country with a very low standard for stand up comedy, because I have to tell you, that just ain't cutting it.

Unless you're emigrating to the Land of Unknowing Irony, or perhaps Dipstickistan.

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I'm not scared of gays, Europe or Islam though.


Same here.

The term 'arachnophobia' is used to mean a fear of spiders. So why should a homophobe be simply one who disagrees with homosexuals?

I can disagree with them, but I sure don't fear them in the way an arachnophobe fears spiders, or a claustrophobe fears enclosed spaces.

 
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