10-07-2004 10:10									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi The term 'arachnophobia' is used to mean a fear of spiders. So why should a homophobe be simply one who disagrees with homosexuals?

It's not that you disagree with them, it's because your reason for not accepting them on an equal level is irrational and beyond logical thought, and hence apt for the "phobia" suffix.

	10-07-2004 10:51									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi The term 'arachnophobia' is used to mean a fear of spiders. So why should a homophobe be simply one who disagrees with homosexuals?

Because the English language doesn't have a small minded language police to go around imprisoning words or terms in linguistic strait jackets.

Perhaps you have the Academie Francaise in mind.

When people talk about 'organic' food do you go around pompously reminding them that food is organic already?



Actually in your case, probably.

Usage determines meaning in the case of homophobia, so why don't you and Park Avenue find something else to whinge about.

	10-07-2004 11:06									#63
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quote: it's because your reason for not accepting them on an equal level is irrational and beyond logical thought,

Ah, but that begs the question.

There is a real distinction between the use of the word phobia in the case of claustrophobia and the word arachnophobia, and your use of the same word cannot change that, if what you have said here is true.

One who is an arachnophobe fears contact with spiders. Can the same be said for me and homosexuals? Nothing here about whether or not that fear is rational or irrational.

A fear that is rational can still be claustrophobia, an example of which would be someone locked in a closet for days, who subsequently fears all enclosed spaces.

Is not the fear rational? Yet it would still be termed claustrophobia.

	10-07-2004 11:11									#64
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quote: Usage determines meaning in the case of homophobia, so why don't you and Park Avenue find something else to whinge about.

All very well, but you lose if this is the case.

You have confirmed what we all have suspected that you are using the two in different ways, and that homophobia has nothing in common with arachophobia and other phobias.

No wonder then ideology seems to be the only thing ever associated with the label, rather than any form of clinical psychology.

	10-07-2004 11:25									#65
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Ben, you fear homosexuals because you have not explored your own sexuality. You're weak and try to appear strong by playing the fear into hate.

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	10-07-2004 13:54									#66
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I think the last ten posts have proved me correct

	10-07-2004 14:00									#67
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	10-07-2004 16:40									#68
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quote: I can disagree with them, but I sure don't fear them in the way an arachnophobe fears spiders, or a claustrophobe fears enclosed spaces.

If we want to use literal interpretations, then homophobia simply means fear of men/man, so stop being pedantic, each word has a literal meaning. However, semantics aside, a dislike of any group of people, particularly an irrational one as indicated by the tone, content and quantity of PA's posts is woefully unacceptable to me. The emotivist argument aside, if we drop the term "homophobia" and play on the word "racism" instead we could say "homoism" but that doesnt quite have the same ring to it does it now?

quote: No wonder then ideology seems to be the only thing ever associated with the label, rather than any form of clinical psychology.

As I said earlier, the root cause of any dislike is emotive and at the most fundamental level, spawned by fear. However I believe that is an unconscious process in this case so it is irrelevant to this semantic discussion, though not to a purely philosophical/conceptual one. The familial term homophobia applies (familial interpretations of words stops English from turning into German) whereas the literal one applies to few or no-one, even the most hardened of gay-haters. It would seem therefore that this discussion is somewhat empty.

	10-07-2004 16:55									#69
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I would hate to think what a dull country this place would be if we had never received the dose of immigration we had...

	10-07-2004 18:00									#70
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Is this the immigrant-bashing thread or gay-bashing one, I've lost track?

	10-07-2004 18:30									#71
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Neither, really. I think this has now become a thread devoted to the mental masturbation of our very own self-proclaimed intellectuals.

Regarding the original topic: In the streets of this city, immigrants are the ones who work harder than the natives. Fundamentally speaking, I have nothing against them.

	10-07-2004 20:21									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon The only decent food in Britain was brought there by Asians.

Agathon: Have you ever even been to Britain? There are plenty of Italian and French restaurants there.

	10-07-2004 20:29									#73
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Oerdin, that was a troll

	11-07-2004 01:53									#74
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quote: Is this the immigrant-bashing thread or gay-bashing one, I've lost track?

Oh the temptations.... When it comes to your diatripe, you may as well lump the two together and call it "poor reasoning".

	11-07-2004 01:55									#75
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I wish I was an intellectual.

	11-07-2004 01:58									#76
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What with your 2:1, I'd think you an intellectual. Face it, you just can't represent the salt/scum of the earth so give in to your inner liberal urges. The evil of tolerance and the gluttony of consideration...

	11-07-2004 02:00									#77
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"What with your 2:1, I'd think you an intellectual."

Maybe I should have failed a couple of modules for a 2:2..

	11-07-2004 02:20									#78
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You're just a highly qualified scally. Don't get ideas above your station

	11-07-2004 03:32									#80
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quote: Ben, you fear homosexuals because you have not explored your own sexuality.

Uh, I don't think you know me that well...

If you really wanted to play psychologist, then I'd have plenty more things to bring out on the table.

quote: You're weak and try to appear strong by playing the fear into hate.

I agree with you, that to hate is to be weak, but I don't do either. I don't mind being among homosexuals, and I have been friends with several.

I think you should coin the term Whaleboy uses, homoism. It just sounds proper'

	11-07-2004 03:36									#81
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I prefer the term "sexism," since bigotry towards gays is just another aspect of intolerance towards deviation from rigidly conceived gender roles.

	11-07-2004 10:28									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue I wish I was an intellectual.

No, you wish you were- it's the subjunctive you should be using, but then if you 'was' an intellectual, you'd know that.

As for Obi Gyn-

"The term 'arachnophobia' is used to mean a fear of spiders. So why should a homophobe be simply one who disagrees with homosexuals?"

Not disagrees- but shows a dislike or hatred of or for.

I don't recall saying it had a clinical psychological definition like ailurophobia or acrophobia, so I don't where you received that erroneous notion from.

As I stated- usage determines meaning in English- do you go about telling people they may not use decimate unless they're referring to a Roman punishment of soldiers, or that aggravate doesn't mean to irritate but to worsen?

Or that a hippopotamus isn't related to horses, and that television combines Greek and Latin roots?

And that an apron should be a napron?

If so, good luck paying your doctor's bills.

	11-07-2004 14:14									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Oh the temptations.... When it comes to your diatripe, you may as well lump the two together and call it "poor reasoning".

I prefer to call this flamebaiting, or trolling for short.

	11-07-2004 15:17									#84
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Guilty as charged

	11-07-2004 15:23									#85
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Why do the homoists always think they have a degree in psychology or something

	11-07-2004 15:25									#86
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"homoist" is a term I have coined for you seeing as you take exception to "phobia" as so I made a more accurate term for you more along the lines of "racist".

And if you want me to be pedantic, I've studied psychology on part and full time bases for the last four years .

	11-07-2004 15:26									#87
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What, you've read a few left-wing websites?

	11-07-2004 15:27									#88
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homoists.. Ranks up their with my Mormonians.

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quote: What, you've read a few left-wing websites?

I kidnap conservatives and probe them in my secret lair

quote: homoists.. Ranks up their with my Mormonians.

Ben Kenobi seemed to like it

	11-07-2004 21:12									#90
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