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Bush military records 'destroyed'

Military records relating to George W Bush's National Guard service more than 30 years ago have been accidentally destroyed, the Pentagon has said.

The New York Times quoted an office of the department as saying the records were lost as staff tried to salvage deteriorating microfilm.

Critics say the current US president used family influence to join the National Guard to avoid the draft.

The White House has released some records in a bid to refute the charges.

But there was no mention of the loss of records in February when these pages were issued.

Doubts were first raised nationally about Mr Bush's service during the 2000 presidential campaign and the issue has resurfaced as Mr Bush fights for re-election.

Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry, a Vietnam veteran, has said Mr Bush must come clean on what he did.

'Inadvertent destruction'

The loss was announced by the Pentagon's Office of Freedom of Information and Security Review in letters to the New York Times and other news organisations, the paper said.

"The Defense Finance and Accounting Service has advised of the inadvertent destruction of microfilm containing certain National Guard payroll records," the letter, signed by the office's chief C Y Talbott, was quoted as saying.

It added that in 1996 and 1997 the microfilm records of "numerous service members" from the first quarter of 1969 and the third quarter of 1972 were ruined. Mr Bush's records from those two periods were among those lost, it said.

The 1969 period is not contentious for Mr Bush, as it is already known he was training to be a pilot at the time.

But in 1972 he moved to Alabama to work on a political campaign, and opponents say he failed to turn up for guard duties during this time.

The lost records might have thrown some light on whether he fulfilled his legal commitment, the paper said.

In February the release of hundreds of pages from 1968-73 gave no indication of anything out of the ordinary, but equally no new evidence was found to rebut critics.

Then in June, the Associated Press news agency filed a suit in New York to gain access to all the president's military records.

Mr Bush trained as a pilot while a member of the Texas and Alabama air national guard but never flew in combat.

He left the national guard in 1973 with an honourable discharge to attend Harvard Business School. He said that proves he did nothing wrong.


Oh snap!

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They were lost 8 years ago.

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how convenient

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It was too close to the shredder- what could we do?

Why do we care about this thought? We know the man to be untrustworthy through other things.

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My precious gives a **** is broken again.

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I am telling you, Walmart has the replacement parts.

Next time, buy a Japanese "gives a ****". Much more reliable.

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I'll think about it.

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Shrubs lies are getting so obvious it's hilarious. Bush is screwed. the only way we can get reelected is by a rigged vote. Even conservatives I know are ready to give Dear Leader the boot.

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So, in 1996, Bush ordered that his records be destroyed, and threw in the records of numerous other service personnel?

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So, in 1996, Bush ordered that his records be destroyed, and threw in the records of numerous other service personnel?


He is that sneaky

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Ok -- to be more fair, we have to ask what could have been Bush's motivation to have those records destroyed in 1996 if it was not a mistake/accident?

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Well, maybe cause he was going to run again for Gov. of Texas in '98 and that might have becomes an issue then? or to avoid it coming out while he was gov. of Texas and creating one of these annoying Media created scandals.

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'accidentally' destroyed?

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Ok -- to be more fair, we have to ask what could have been Bush's motivation to have those records destroyed in 1996 if it was not a mistake/accident?


Or -- to be more fair, we have to ask what if this was not done at the behest of Bush?

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He is that sneaky


Thus dispelling the stupid myth.

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So, in 1996, Bush ordered that his records be destroyed, and threw in the records of numerous other service personnel?


Do you think Bush wasn't contemplating a 2000 presidential run then? I'm pretty sure he was. People were already mentioning his name when Dole crashed and burned.

Gee, who would have had the influence to do such a thing? Perhaps an ex-chief of the CIA?

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Or -- to be more fair, we have to ask what if this was not done at the behest of Bush?


Yep the evil Dems did it to discredit Bush.


But seriously, doesn't anyone ever get sick and tired of these pathetic conspiracy theories?

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But seriously, doesn't anyone ever get sick and tired of these pathetic conspiracy theories?


Read the post above you... apparently not . Boris has decided that Bush, Sr. now ordered his clandestine agents in the Pentagon to eliminate Bush's records. I can hear the Mission Impossible music playing in the background .

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Boris has decided that Bush, Sr. now ordered his clandestine agents in the Pentagon to eliminate Bush's records.




There's your brilliant reasoning skills again. I decided nothing--I just asked a question.

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come on, do you really believe those records were 'accidentally' destroyed?

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Yep the evil Dems did it to discredit Bush.


But seriously, doesn't anyone ever get sick and tired of these pathetic conspiracy theories?


To clarify, I was trying to point out the possibility that maybe this was, as it says, an accident.

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I decided nothing--I just asked a question.


Uh huh.. yeah sure

Just like if I ask if you stopped being retarded crack monkey, I'm just asking a question.

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come on, do you really believe those records were 'accidentally' destroyed?


Actually? Yeah.

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accident

I can't believe people actually buy into this ****!

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Yes, that is far less plausible than the Bushgate scandal.

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Yep the evil Dems did it to discredit Bush.


But seriously, doesn't anyone ever get sick and tired of these pathetic conspiracy theories?


To clarify, I was trying to point out the possibility that maybe this was, as it says, an accident.


I know, I was jesting. My real point is everyone instantly assumes conspiracy theory to the point of absurdity, thus my absurd counter example.

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Whoops!

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They were lost 8 years ago.


Well its obvious that the president has a working time machine.

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Well its obvious that the president has a working time machine.


I expect we'll find an underground nuclear laboratory in Iraq built in 1996.

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how convenient
For the Democratic Adminstration? (96 & 97) that trashed thousands of decayed mircroflim records while trying to restore them, including a a handful that applied to one republican? It take a lower than apolyton standard stupid dickhead to make a conspiracy out of that.

 
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